Florida House Panel votes to arm teachers; Give 1 time $500 bonus for 132 hour course

[Seraphina]

Funny how they practically trip over themselves to pour taxpayer money into the pockets of gun manufacturers but they draw the line at properly funding schools so that kids actually learn how to read, write and do math.

-Teresa

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[Brian37]

Funny how they practically trip over themselves to pour taxpayer money into the pockets of gun manufacturers but they draw the line at properly funding schools so that kids actually learn how to read, write and do math.

-Teresa

This is insane. I have long since hated GOP economic policy, but they have gone way off the deep end.

[Minimalist]

Funny how they practically trip over themselves to pour taxpayer money into the pockets of gun manufacturers but they draw the line at properly funding schools so that kids actually learn how to read, write and do math.

-Teresa

Republicunts know that nothing good can come from reading and writing and math.  People might stop buying their bullshit.

[henryp]

But if we hypothetically knew for sure an unknown person was going to try and kill as many middle schoolers as possible at a specific school in Delaware, the solution would 100% include 'good guys with guns'.   

You mean like the good guy with a gun who stood outside the school with both thumbs up his arse while the  shooting was going on?  THAT good guy?  He really put a stop to the bad guy who was methodically killing people, didn't he?

Boru

This is why the problem needs to be addressed from as many angles as possible.  People who shouldn't get guns may still get them even with tough laws.  Guards at school may be ineffective.  There is no answer to the problem.  The best you can do is try to throw as many obstacles in the way of a potential shooting as possible.

[Whateverist]

You mean like the good guy with a gun who stood outside the school with both thumbs up his arse while the  shooting was going on?  THAT good guy?  He really put a stop to the bad guy who was methodically killing people, didn't he?

Boru

This is why the problem needs to be addressed from as many angles as possible.  People who shouldn't get guns may still get them even with tough laws.  Guards at school may be ineffective.  There is no answer to the problem.  The best you can do is try to throw as many obstacles in the way of a potential shooting as possible.

Too bad we can't just take the assault rifles off the street.  That would be quite an effective obstacle in MHO.

[henryp]

This is why the problem needs to be addressed from as many angles as possible.  People who shouldn't get guns may still get them even with tough laws.  Guards at school may be ineffective.  There is no answer to the problem.  The best you can do is try to throw as many obstacles in the way of a potential shooting as possible.

Too bad we can't just take the assault rifles off the street.  That would be quite an effective obstacle in MHO.

1) You'd have to get all those guns you consider 'assault rifles' off the streets.  Which is going to be tough, since there are already plenty of illegally owned 'assault rifles' on the streets, and the issue of resistance for legally owned 'assault rifles.'

2) If you hypothetically were able to remove all the 'assault rifles' from the country, we'll still have another school shooting.  The kid will just be murdering people with a handgun or two.

[Whateverist]

Too bad we can't just take the assault rifles off the street.  That would be quite an effective obstacle in MHO.

1) You'd have to get all those guns you consider 'assault rifles' off the streets.  Which is going to be tough, since there are already plenty of illegally owned 'assault rifles' on the streets, and the issue of resistance for legally owned 'assault rifles.'

2) If you hypothetically were able to remove all the 'assault rifles' from the country, we'll still have another school shooting.  The kid will just be murdering people with a handgun or two.

So your objections are amount to 1) the problem is too difficult and 2) incremental improvement isn't worth doing.  So you're saying what?  Just stick to the status quo and buy the child size body bags in bulk?

[henryp]

1) You'd have to get all those guns you consider 'assault rifles' off the streets.  Which is going to be tough, since there are already plenty of illegally owned 'assault rifles' on the streets, and the issue of resistance for legally owned 'assault rifles.'

2) If you hypothetically were able to remove all the 'assault rifles' from the country, we'll still have another school shooting.  The kid will just be murdering people with a handgun or two.

So your objections are amount to 1) the problem is too difficult and 2) incremental improvement isn't worth doing.  So you're saying what?  Just stick to the status quo and buy the child size body bags in bulk?

I don't buy the premise that these styles of school shootings pose such a threat that buying body bags in bulk is quite necessary.  When you talk about these, it's always columbine, sandyhook, and now Parkland.  But that's 1999, 2012, 2018.  I think media trickery has gotten people riled up a bit.  Also, I think the solution of 'take away the guns' is popular, because a lot of people don't really want guns anyway, and people are real comfortable giving up other people's rights.  (see abortion, gay marriage, gambling, etc...)  

But if we pretend this is a really big threat for the sake of the argument, I think it has to be a bit of everything.  You try to keep the guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and you at least consider some sort of resistance/strategy at the school should that fail.  The complaint is teachers don't want guns, which is fine.  But I'm guessing teachers would rather not have to use their bodies as meat shields to protect kids either. 

If you just laser focus in on AR-15's and 3 day waiting periods or whatever, and then some kid kills 10 people with a couple hand guns, or an illegally obtained AR-15, you've let the kids down.  Just like if you arm every teacher, but then do nothing to prevent wackos from getting whatever they want to shoot up a school, and they go in and kill some kids before best case scenario being stopped by a teacher.  That's still some dead kids.  

The reality is, it's 100% going to happen again.  It's just a matter of lowering the frequency and lowering the damage caused.

[The Grand Nudger]

1) You'd have to get all those guns you consider 'assault rifles' off the streets.  Which is going to be tough, since there are already plenty of illegally owned 'assault rifles' on the streets, and the issue of resistance for legally owned 'assault rifles.'

2) If you hypothetically were able to remove all the 'assault rifles' from the country, we'll still have another school shooting.  The kid will just be murdering people with a handgun or two.

So your objections are amount to 1) the problem is too difficult and 2) incremental improvement isn't worth doing.  So you're saying what?  Just stick to the status quo and buy the child size body bags in bulk?

There's no effective difference, to a school shooting, between an ar-15 and a similarly chambered handgun....except for the fact that a pistol gives you better corners, is easier to conceal, and far cheaper. Both, at least in the case of the majority of owership, are semi-auto sporting pieces..neither are "assault rifles". I would...however, if I were the hypothetical teacher volunteering to play bullet sponge against some unhinged kid..demand that I be provided with both the license and the funds to field an -actual- assault rifle (I'm a junkie....I'd demand my 249 with a 200 round bando and shortened stock), as well as a full kevlar skirt, flashbangs, a mask, and cs canisters....if I wanted to go popping rounds off at a person with a pistol or an ar-15. It would be the apocalypse for a minute or two...but mostly for the jackass with the target rifle. Drop cans and proceed directly to target under suppressing fire then beat him over the head ith the 28 lb heft of my preferred piece as he chokes on the gas. You burn your hands on the barrel in the grip after the suppress, but it's worth it. Before anyone thinks I'm being ridiculous, consider the backlash when anyone suggests that cops don't need tactical superiority. If we're asking teachers to be volunteer cops in surprise school shooting scenarios..how do we tell them they cant up-arm like police? Down this road lies my fetish in riot gear and crowd control. I offer my account of a short skirmish between a properly armed combatant and an active shooter as a window into the terminus of this notion. The scene of some future school shooting will..if we give a shiot about those teachers, someday involve a man covered head to toe in kevlar deploying chemical weapons and an absurd rate of fire down the hallways of our local schools..in response to some jackass teen with his uncles "borrowed" fetish gun.

So, to my mind, they;re gonna have to up that stipend by a few grand to get anyone with half a brain and the right skills and experience interested, instead of the usual good guy yokel with a fuckin gun who's gonna shoot a bunch of kids trying to shoot the kid shooting kids..or..more likely, just get fucking shot themselves. The more you really think about it the worse the idea is, really. Consider this, whateves. I bet you and I both went to a schoolhouse made of either brick, cinder, or adobe/stucco. They don;t build em like that anymore. It's a bunch of portables. Bullets flying in not one, but two directions in a flimsy building full of children..one person all fucked up..the other armed with a cheap ass taurus revolver and a soft flak vest, at best, @ 500bucks.

What...the....fuck.....whatever happened to metal detectors? How many wands does five hundo buy? Go with that. We don't even put guys with guns in schools in warzones............. Outside, sure, at entrance checkpoints.....but it's a fundamentally bad idea to increase the amount of firearms and hypothetically active shooters inside of a building chock full of children.

I went to school in florida, my family are floridian educators, by and large. Now..though..."land of flowers" my ass. The place is full of cabbages.