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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:32 pm
If a magic book were the messenger instead of Tiz, would you find yourself throwing an internet shitfit or just bobbing your head in agreement?
Maybe Tiz bangs on the clouds, and the white wolf told him things you don't know?
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:34 pm
Quote:The morals are now immortal as well?
Nope nor do they need to be
Quote:Evolution works in mysterious ways.
Nope it works as a scientific principle. One your woefully uninformed of .
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:34 pm
What are some of the basic objective facts of morality, what are they based on?
Let's take the most obvious - life.
The deliberate taking of life without good reason is a crime - called murder.
How can that be a crime, given the supposed history and tendencies of evolutionary so called life?
As Chimp said, there is no such thing as sin?
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:36 pm
(March 23, 2018 at 9:34 pm)Banned Wrote: What are some of the basic objective facts of morality, what are they based on?
Let's take the most obvious - life.
The deliberate taking of life without good reason is a crime - called murder.
How can that be a crime, given the supposed history and tendencies of evolutionary so called life?
As Chimp said, there is no such thing as sin?
Legality is not morality, next.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:38 pm
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(March 23, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If a magic book were the messenger instead of Tiz, would you find yourself throwing an internet shitfit or just bobbing your head in agreement?
Maybe Tiz bangs on the clouds, and the white wolf told him things you don't know? Likely so after all morality needs to be magical 
Nope i would never trust anything Amorak has to say . Look at the poor bastards he dicks with.
Quote:What are some of the basic objective facts of morality, what are they based on?
Read the fucking links
Quote:Let's take the most obvious - life.
Nope life is not the basis at all
Quote:The deliberate taking of life without good reason is a crime - called murder.
Yup
Quote:How can that be a crime, given the supposed history and tendencies of evolutionary so called life?
Because morality is not dictated by evolution . And you understand fuck all about the history or tendencies in evolution . Just creationist strawman.
Quote:As Chimp said, there is no such thing as sin?
Yup sin is hogwash . Murder is very real .
(March 23, 2018 at 9:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (March 23, 2018 at 9:34 pm)Banned Wrote: What are some of the basic objective facts of morality, what are they based on?
Let's take the most obvious - life.
The deliberate taking of life without good reason is a crime - called murder.
How can that be a crime, given the supposed history and tendencies of evolutionary so called life?
As Chimp said, there is no such thing as sin?
Legality is not morality, next. True it's not . But that likely would fit a non legal definition of murder as well .
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:43 pm
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Starting to think that banned might be one of those poor bastards. He just doesn't know that he's dinner, yet, that he's been served up like a stuffed pig. 
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:47 pm
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(March 23, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Starting to think that banned might be one of those poor bastards. He just doesn't know that he's dinner, yet, that he's been served up like a stuffed pig.
True the trickster would sometimes screw with people for years . He better try hanging up rabbits feet 
Quote:Likely so after all morality needs to be magical
After all how could mere humans figure out morality without magic .
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 9:57 pm
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(March 23, 2018 at 9:31 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Evolution is not about morality
Which is not evolution dictating morality . Why you can get that through your skull is amazing .
Nope your religious concepts have no place next to evolution .
Kindly stop smuggling your religious concepts into a rational discussion of morality . They have no place there .
Yup but not a messenger even that would equate me to your silly god man
Let me get this straight - evolution has nothing to do with morality, even though according to you it is developing into a better (regime),
and that humans are responsible for morality, which is what atheists have been accusing Christians of,
but now, Christians have no say in the matter, but the new lot of humans do, so it is all relative and dependent in who wields the rod.
In this case it ought to be you, the messenger of the great developing morality.
(March 23, 2018 at 9:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Legality is not morality, next.
So rights are determined not by moral, but by power...
(March 23, 2018 at 9:47 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: After all how could mere humans figure out morality without magic .
And how do they figure that out?
By nodding to each other?
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 10:11 pm
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You bounce from here to there like a rubber ball, Banned. I keep suggesting that you take breath. Is there some specific reason that you just can't do that?
If you can't, if you can't help but be the rubber ball....would it really be all that strange if people decided to just run with it, and fling you back and forth between them for the lulz? Would there even be anything wrong with it? You are, after all, intent on -being- the ball.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 10:24 pm
Quote:Let me get this straight - evolution has nothing to do with morality, even though according to you it is developing into a better (regime),
Yup evolution the biological principle of the diversification of life . Has nothing to do with perspective or normative meta ethics . And the last statement is nothing I have said
Quote:and that humans are responsible for morality
Yup human have figured out objective moral facts
Quote:which is what atheists have been accusing Christians of,
Yup christian developed a shitty distorted view on morality based on garbage idea's
Quote:but now, Christians have no say in the matter,
Yup your morality sucks thus you get no say . Same as someone who declares 2+2 +7
Quote: but the new lot of humans do, so it is all relative and dependent in who wields the rod.
Nope it does not matter what generation or who's in charge the moral facts remain to any rational mind
Quote:In this case it ought to be you, the messenger of the great developing morality.
Nope you keep insisting i want to be a dictator or a god head . This is not so . Nor even if I did would it alter moral facts .
Quote:And how do they figure that out?
By using that pink squishy thing between their ears
Quote:By nodding to each other?
Nope that is how religious morality came about .
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