The mercy of honor killing

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, yes, we know..you think that djinn reserve that right for themselves alone, almost as if we were somebody else's property...or something.  

[Mystic]

Yes, yes, we know..you think that djinn reserve that right for themselves alone, almost as if we were somebody else's property...or something.  

So you know about Djinn?

[Silver]

Why, Khem, why?

[WinterHold]

There are all kinds of stories about people being killed because they want to marry someone the parents don't approve of, or because they want to stop following the religion or something, so I don't see much good coming out of honor killing. Even with the example in the OP, we already have debates over whether the death penalty is moral or not, regardless of the crime.

The way I see it, if you can't bear to live without your "honor", and you feel someone needs to die for it, the only life you have the right to take is your own. Leave other people alone.

Frankly; "honor" and "dignity" are in so many times are thought to be, and confused with "being hotheaded".
In the Middle East -for example-, the stereotype is to speak in your sister's name and act ape shit if you knew that she is having an affair -that is outside the laws of marriage-.

Japan -as an other example- had different "honor definition (Samurai codes are enough" that also mean the same thing: "be hotheaded, lose your temper, and call that "living up to morals of your ancestors: preserving your culture"-.

In all these cases; you call that shit "honor"; but that is not honor or dignity. That is you choosing to be hotheaded.
It's not "honor". It's "not being able to get over your heritage; and relax with a deep breath".

[The Valkyrie]

Moses went to see the master Al-Khidr to learn a few tricks taught by Allah.


Then they found one of Our slaves (AL-Khidr), unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.
Musa (Moses) said to him (Khidr) "May I follow you so that you teach me something of that knowledge (guidance and true path) which you have been taught (by Allah)?" (Qur'an 18:65-67)

Then they both proceeded, till they met a boy, he (Khidr) killed him. Musa (Moses) said: "Have you killed an innocent person who had killed none? Verily, you have committed a thing "Nukra" (a great Munkar - prohibited, evil, dreadful thing)!" (Quran 18:74)

Tafsir/Interpretation

So they set off after leaving the ship making their way on foot until when they met a boy who had not yet reached puberty playing with other boys among whom his face was the fairest — and he al-Khidr slew him by slitting his throat with a knife while he lay down or by tearing his head off with his hand or by smashing his head against a wall all of which are different opinions the coordinating fā’ of fa-qatalahu ‘and he slew him’ is used here because it indicates that the slaying took place after the encounter; the response to idhā ‘when’ is the following statement qāla … — he Moses said to him ‘Have you slain an innocent soul that is a pure one that had not reached the age of legal responsibility a variant reading for zākiya has zakiyya one slain not in retaliation for another soul? in other words one that has not slain any soul. Verily you have committed an dreadful thing’ read nukran or nukuran that is to say an abomination. (* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Qur’an 18 74)

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...nguageId=2

And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.  "So we intended that their Lord should change him for them for one better in righteousness and near to mercy. (Quran 18:80-81)

You know, somewhere in the world is a speeding train you desperately need to be under.

Yes, I know you're trolling.

That doesn't make this post any less vile.

[Chad32]

the only life you have the right to take is your own.

I don't believe that you do.

Well it's a very debatable subject that has gone on for a while, and will probably continue to go on for another while.

[Fireball]

Moses went to see the master Al-Khidr to learn a few tricks taught by Allah.


Then they found one of Our slaves (AL-Khidr), unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.
Musa (Moses) said to him (Khidr) "May I follow you so that you teach me something of that knowledge (guidance and true path) which you have been taught (by Allah)?" (Qur'an 18:65-67)

Then they both proceeded, till they met a boy, he (Khidr) killed him. Musa (Moses) said: "Have you killed an innocent person who had killed none? Verily, you have committed a thing "Nukra" (a great Munkar - prohibited, evil, dreadful thing)!" (Quran 18:74)

Tafsir/Interpretation

So they set off after leaving the ship making their way on foot until when they met a boy who had not yet reached puberty playing with other boys among whom his face was the fairest — and he al-Khidr slew him by slitting his throat with a knife while he lay down or by tearing his head off with his hand or by smashing his head against a wall all of which are different opinions the coordinating fā’ of fa-qatalahu ‘and he slew him’ is used here because it indicates that the slaying took place after the encounter; the response to idhā ‘when’ is the following statement qāla … — he Moses said to him ‘Have you slain an innocent soul that is a pure one that had not reached the age of legal responsibility a variant reading for zākiya has zakiyya one slain not in retaliation for another soul? in other words one that has not slain any soul. Verily you have committed an dreadful thing’ read nukran or nukuran that is to say an abomination. (* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Qur’an 18 74)

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...nguageId=2

And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.  "So we intended that their Lord should change him for them for one better in righteousness and near to mercy. (Quran 18:80-81)

You know, somewhere in the world is a speeding train you desperately need to be under.

Yes, I know you're trolling.

That doesn't make this post any less vile.

How about he gets eaten by crocodiles? Who wants to inconvenience all those poor people on the train?

[Angrboda]

[The Valkyrie]

You know, somewhere in the world is a speeding train you desperately need to be under.

Yes, I know you're trolling.

That doesn't make this post any less vile.

How about he gets eaten by crocodiles? Who wants to inconvenience all those poor people on the train?

How about a speeding train full of NRA supporters and delegates on their way to a Republican party convention?

[WinterHold]