The Bible condemns homosexuality.

[The Grand Nudger]

Believing things because magic book says so..or doesn't say so, isn't really something that instills any confidence in me with regards to whatever it is you do or don't believe. You're clearly beyond the point where..if someone says to you "gayness is black magic and it threatens civilization" you don't immediately hear alarm bells going off in every possible location.

[FatAndFaithless]

"I believe it because the book says so."

[Angrboda]

Is making an inferior choice a moral evil though?

We have to push people towards a choice. Society has to come to terms on how we honor relationships if we do so at all. And I believe the best path is monogamy marriage between a man and a woman, unless, there is extreme circumstances (too many widows for example many orphans needing to be taken care of), it should be what society enjoins.

If we let it be whatever thinks they should do,  than, we are letting desires rule us, and that can have many consequences.

People can be living together 2 man and 2 women, or 3 men and 3 women or any combination, and we can call it "marriage" between all of them... 

Also, I would say the natural disposition is man and woman are attracted to each other, and if someone has alternate, they are being attacked by magic, and from my paradigm, they should be aware that is what is happening and society should not make it worse, by telling such a person, they are that way and there is nothing they can do about it.

All the same, we punish because of the consequences the choice leads toward, not for the choice itself. You've yet to establish such consequences.

If the choices are not in and of themselves immoral, we incentivize the good behavior, not punish the bad.

[Mystic]

It doesn't matter how strange the truth appears to you. I believed in Quran really for many reasons I never have explained and probably will never get to on these forums.

The problem is I am so deep layered right now, I don't know where to begin to show what I see in it and from it and towards it. In time, I will write books... perhaps I will be able to one day articulate all the reasons I believe.

But these forums won't be where that happens.

[FatAndFaithless]

Obviously not, since you can't articulate a single reason why you believe. And if you are admittedly unable to articulate these reasons and concede that you won't articulate them on this forum... why the hell do you keep making these shitposts?

[The Grand Nudger]

It doesn't matter how strange the truth appears to you.  I believed in Quran really for many reasons I never have explained and probably will never get to on these forums.

I have a refutation for every one that I probably won't ever share on these forums.

The problem is I am so deep layered right now, I don't know where to begin to show what I see in it and from it and towards it.  In time, I will write books... perhaps I will be able to one day articulate all the reasons I believe.

Yes, yes, you are blessed with exceeding deepity.  You should write all of this in a book..it'll be worth more than the paper it's printed on, for sure.

But these forums won't be where that happens.

You've made that perfectly clear in your posts.   Now, that....is communicative clarity.

[Mystic]

We have to push people towards a choice. Society has to come to terms on how we honor relationships if we do so at all. And I believe the best path is monogamy marriage between a man and a woman, unless, there is extreme circumstances (too many widows for example many orphans needing to be taken care of), it should be what society enjoins.

If we let it be whatever thinks they should do,  than, we are letting desires rule us, and that can have many consequences.

People can be living together 2 man and 2 women, or 3 men and 3 women or any combination, and we can call it "marriage" between all of them... 

Also, I would say the natural disposition is man and woman are attracted to each other, and if someone has alternate, they are being attacked by magic, and from my paradigm, they should be aware that is what is happening and society should not make it worse, by telling such a person, they are that way and there is nothing they can do about it.

All the same, we punish because of the consequences the choice leads toward, not for the choice itself.  You've yet to establish such consequences.

If the choices are not in and of themselves immoral, we incentivize the good behavior, not punish the bad.

We force kids an education, because foregoing in these days, is really bad, and will leave them without the tools.  There is consequences if Parent's don't give their kids education.

It's something society has agreed upon and it's a good choice.

I believe forsaking marriage while that is the ideal nature and to let magic override that natural disposition, is bad for society.

In fact, anything that is from black magic has to be resisted, and if we don't, we become easily manipulated in thoughts and begin to lose our will and power. That is already a consequence.

What is worse is when do so, but then believe we have no control over who we are and what states we choose and who we are attracted to.

Yes physical changes happen to the brain of a psychologically confused person who thinks he is the opposite gender in a human body for example, but those can be reversed, because the brain we know from neuroplasticity, can easily change with will of a human.

Responsibility lost in society is a huge loss. And we see this choice is leading people to assume everything humans succumb to, and any ill state they become, they had no control and have no control over.

[The Grand Nudger]

If only there were a way to cure the gay..or pray it away!  Then civilization wouldn't have to crumble under the sway of black magic.

[Mystic]

If only there were a way to cure the gay..or pray it away!  Then civilization wouldn't have to crumble under the sway of black magic.

Well see you understand.

[Silver]

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