Kickin Em While They Are Down

[lilyannerose]

'Mishka' pid='107942' dateline='1291403671'


How many weeks of unemployment should they get before going on welfare? 2 years? 3 years? Indefinately? :thinking

I read an excellent point on this argument on another website, the case was made that in America criminals who go to jail receive shelter, food and medical attention, since we're taking such great care of the criminals why would anyone not want to see the unemployed with shelter, food and medical attention. I like this argument a lot because what it asks is why are we treating our criminals better than law abiding citizens?

[Tiberius]

I read an excellent point on this argument on another website, the case was made that in America criminals who go to jail receive shelter, food and medical attention, since we're taking such great care of the criminals why would anyone not want to see the unemployed with shelter, food and medical attention. I like this argument a lot because what it asks is why are we treating our criminals better than law abiding citizens?

People in jail are made to work, and they are locked up and not allowed to leave the prison. I don't see how that is treating them better than law abiding citizens. If your statement was true, why aren't there more people committing crimes in order to get comfy in prison?

[Ashendant]

I read an excellent point on this argument on another website, the case was made that in America criminals who go to jail receive shelter, food and medical attention, since we're taking such great care of the criminals why would anyone not want to see the unemployed with shelter, food and medical attention. I like this argument a lot because what it asks is why are we treating our criminals better than law abiding citizens?

People in jail are made to work, and they are locked up and not allowed to leave the prison. I don't see how that is treating them better than law abiding citizens. If your statement was true, why aren't there more people committing crimes in order to get comfy in prison?

Actually this happen in a country somewhere in africa which i can't remeber where a gang has total control over a prison and as soon as they get out they commit a crime to get back in if i find the reference i'll post it here
edit:
The number gangs of South Africa
number gang

[lilyannerose]

People in jail are made to work, and they are locked up and not allowed to leave the prison. I don't see how that is treating them better than law abiding citizens. If your statement was true, why aren't there more people committing crimes in order to get comfy in prison?

Probably at least 95% of people in jail are there for wrong doing. IOW, they are locked up for being bad bad kids, yet as a society we feel that it is the right thing to do to shelter, feed and provide medical care for prisoners. As to the unemployed in this country, who lost jobs do an economy out of their control and remaining out of control, some are starting to state that unemployment benefits are lasting too long. Which demonstrates the reality that no one questions the care provided prisoners but will question the benefits that the unemployed receive.

Further, why would anyone want to go to prison, that's just whack and illogical thinking.

[Isun]

Corporations are holding on to over 2 trillion dollars today. They have plenty of money to invest. But with no customer, they have no need to invest.

[Tiberius]

Probably at least 95% of people in jail are there for wrong doing. IOW, they are locked up for being bad bad kids, yet as a society we feel that it is the right thing to do to shelter, feed and provide medical care for prisoners. As to the unemployed in this country, who lost jobs do an economy out of their control and remaining out of control, some are starting to state that unemployment benefits are lasting too long. Which demonstrates the reality that no one questions the care provided prisoners but will question the benefits that the unemployed receive.

My point is, the "care" provided to prisoners isn't free to them; they have to work for it. Prison is a punishment; you are locked up and made to work. The reason why we have to provide shelter and food is because we have to contain the prisoners for the public good, and that means actually looking after them as well, since we don't believe in the death penalty, let alone the death penalty for any crime committed.

Further, why would anyone want to go to prison, that's just whack and illogical thinking.

Hey, you said it: "why are we treating our criminals better than law abiding citizens?"

If this were the case, why aren't people lining up to get into prison? What is illogical is your blanket statement that criminals are better treated than law abiding citizens, which is clearly not the case.

[Ashendant]

My point is, the "care" provided to prisoners isn't free to them; they have to work for it. Prison is a punishment; you are locked up and made to work. The reason why we have to provide shelter and food is because we have to contain the prisoners for the public good, and that means actually looking after them as well, since we don't believe in the death penalty, let alone the death penalty for any crime committed.

Further, why would anyone want to go to prison, that's just whack and illogical thinking.

Hey, you said it: "why are we treating our criminals better than law abiding citizens?"

If this were the case, why aren't people lining up to get into prison? What is illogical is your blanket statement that criminals are better treated than law abiding citizens, which is clearly not the case.

I already gave you an example

[Mishka]

You want to live in a 4 by 10 room, with Bruno, be my guest. As far as receiving food, room and medical care, the food is the cheapest they can get on bid, so it's SOS a lot of the times. The medical care is questionabel cause no docs want to work with scum. All of this doesn't answer the question of how many weeks should a person get unemployemnt benies before having to transfer to the lower paying general welfare? You do know companies have to pay into an unemployment fund? That's less capital they have to use for other things like more employees.

[lilyannerose]

'Tiberius' pid='108158' dateline='1291504396'

My point is, the "care" provided to prisoners isn't free to them; they have to work for it. Prison is a punishment; you are locked up and made to work. The reason why we have to provide shelter and food is because we have to contain the prisoners for the public good, and that means actually looking after them as well, since we don't believe in the death penalty, let alone the death penalty for any crime committed.

What about those prisoners on death row do you think they get to work for it and how many sit on death row for decades? Further the fact that prisoners do work has nothing to do with the outside world and how the unemployed are being treated. You're talking about systems that are exclusive within themselves.

If this were the case, why aren't people lining up to get into prison? What is illogical is your blanket statement that criminals are better treated than law abiding citizens, which is clearly not the case.

As I said this line of thinking is just whack. You want to compare oranges to avocados and it doesn't work. Who would want to be incarcerated in a crowded gang filled prison.

[Mishka]

You apparently do, thinking it's some kind of nirvana. You want te same treatment for the unemploeyed that prisoners get. Well you will have to go to prison to get it. Good luck.