The believer seems to know god better than he knows himself

[Drich]

We keep getting these instructions from believers, but nothing from god himself.

If you are not familiar with the words of God how in the world can you determine whether or not God is the one doing the talking?

We keep having believers tell us of how god is, but god is not telling us anything himself.

If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does? do you have a picture of a burning bush or the clouds parting for you? if they did then your version of God would be doing the talking which amounts to little more than talking to yourself. Now if God is real and is His own being who's to say He does not have an account here? but because you do not recognise His words, you have no way identifying Him as God.

All these "instructions" keep coming from believers, yet nothing comes from god.

what instructions? Granted there are instructions to become a catholic, a baptist or a lutheran or something.. but you have to ask yourself do you want to be religious or do you want to know God. if you want to know God then pick up and follow where the bible leads.

Fuck these charlatans, these believers pretending to know god and what he wants.  Fuck them all.

And if we are not pretending?

Especially, fuck that bible.  It's merely man's word pretending to be divine.

and if it isn't? If God want to speak to the humble but not the proud would he not have to leave instruction on how they can get a hold of him?

And especially fuck you for attempting to perpetuate the lie.  You should know better.

...and if it is the God's honest truth?

A lie is easier to reveal when there is no evidence of god's existence.

if this was the case then this religion would have died as all the other unsupported religions. People are not stupid. in Rome the roman gods had power because the government empowered those gods. but when rome moved on, those God's lost power and died. How long has it been since a Christian run government completely supported 'god?'' HOw long since the dark ages? if 'truth' was there was no God then why did christianity last so long after the darkages? why?? because if you simply follow the bible you will find it to be true. You will find God as promised.

No, it's time to stop with the lies.

Seriously, stop.

Yes, stop.

and if it was the truth, do you want us to stop because the truth shines a light where you prefer to keep in the dark?

When you can stop and realize reality is void of superstition, you can realize you're only in it for comfort's sake.

what comfort moron? oblivion is the comfort, after death comes the judgement where is their comfort in judgement?

Yes, you need to stop believing that you ever had any reason other than comfort to believe in a fairy tale.

Fairy tales are not adult material.

global warming? global ice age? hole in the ozone?global climate change due to carbon emissions? global climate change due to cow farts, that we are evolving and not de-evolving despite scientific evidence to the fact. pluto's a planet then not one, or the idea that we can accurate measure something we can not physically see, but count the darkness a shadow provides to caculate the objects mass. This is beyond stupid. yet I believe in a fairtale. better check your 'facts because everything here was 100% scientific fact/if you went against any of these facts in their time you'd be 100%... now all these "facts" are fairtales.

maybe you should tend to your own fair tales before you try and manage another's beliefs.

[Angrboda]

We keep having believers tell us of how god is, but god is not telling us anything himself.

If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does? do you have a picture of a burning bush or the clouds parting for you? if they did then your version of God would be doing the talking which amounts to little more than talking to yourself. Now if God is real and is His own being who's to say He does not have an account here? but because you do not recognise His words, you have no way identifying Him as God.

This simply leads into a circular argument.

[The Grand Nudger]

I read that OP title an entirely different way...amusingly, it seems true regardless.  Believers tell us that their god this or thats..not realizing that they are describing themselves. In that way, they know god better than they know themselves.

Tell me what god hates, and I know what you hate. Tell me what heaven is like..and I see what;s missing in your life. Tell me who;s hellbound, and I know who you feel has slighted you.

[Minimalist]

If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does?

He doesn't you asshole.  That is simply your own childish thoughts echoing inside your empty skull. 

I don't need your silly-assed god.  Everyone else can speak for themselves.

[Foxaèr]

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We keep getting these instructions from believers, but nothing from god himself.

If you are not familiar with the words of God how in the world can you determine whether or not God is the one doing the talking?

We keep having believers tell us of how god is, but god is not telling us anything himself.

If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does? do you have a picture of a burning bush or the clouds parting for you? if they did then your version of God would be doing the talking which amounts to little more than talking to yourself. Now if God is real and is His own being who's to say He does not have an account here? but because you do not recognise His words, you have no way identifying Him as God.

All these "instructions" keep coming from believers, yet nothing comes from god.

what instructions? Granted there are instructions to become a catholic, a baptist or a lutheran or something.. but you have to ask yourself do you want to be religious or do you want to know God. if you want to know God then pick up and follow where the bible leads.

Fuck these charlatans, these believers pretending to know god and what he wants.  Fuck them all.

And if we are not pretending?

Especially, fuck that bible.  It's merely man's word pretending to be divine.

and if it isn't? If God want to speak to the humble but not the proud would he not have to leave instruction on how they can get a hold of him?

And especially fuck you for attempting to perpetuate the lie.  You should know better.

...and if it is the God's honest truth?

A lie is easier to reveal when there is no evidence of god's existence.

if this was the case then this religion would have died as all the other unsupported religions. People are not stupid. in Rome the roman gods had power because the government empowered those gods. but when rome moved on, those God's lost power and died. How long has it been since a Christian run government completely supported 'god?'' HOw long since the dark ages? if 'truth' was there was no God then why did christianity last so long after the darkages? why?? because if you simply follow the bible you will find it to be true. You will find God as promised.

No, it's time to stop with the lies.

Seriously, stop.

Yes, stop.

and if it was the truth, do you want us to stop because the truth shines a light where you prefer to keep in the dark?

When you can stop and realize reality is void of superstition, you can realize you're only in it for comfort's sake.

what comfort moron? oblivion is the comfort, after death comes the judgement where is their comfort in judgement?

Yes, you need to stop believing that you ever had any reason other than comfort to believe in a fairy tale.

Fairy tales are not adult material.

global warming? global ice age? hole in the ozone?global climate change due to carbon emissions? global climate change due to cow farts, that we are evolving and not de-evolving despite scientific evidence to the fact. pluto's a planet then not one, or the idea that we can accurate measure something we can not physically see, but count the darkness a shadow provides to caculate the objects mass. This is beyond stupid. yet I believe in a fairtale. better check your 'facts because everything here was 100% scientific fact/if you went against any of these facts in their time you'd be 100%... now all these "facts" are fairtales.

maybe you should tend to your own fair tales before you try and manage another's beliefs.

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So many ifs.

I've never considered if to be a proper incentive to forego with reason for faith.

[Drich]

If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does? do you have a picture of a burning bush or the clouds parting for you? if they did then your version of God would be doing the talking which amounts to little more than talking to yourself. Now if God is real and is His own being who's to say He does not have an account here? but because you do not recognise His words, you have no way identifying Him as God.

This simply leads into a circular argument.

lazy diagnosis. i provide method of validation and verification. circular argument rely on unverified conjecture to vet a statement.

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I read that OP title an entirely different way...amusingly, it seems true regardless.  Believers tell us that their god this or thats..not realizing that they are describing themselves.  In that way, they know god better than they know themselves.

Tell me what god hates, and I know what you hate.  Tell me what heaven is like..and I see what;s missing in your life.  Tell me who;s hellbound, and I know who you feel has slighted you.

Tell me what god hates, and I know what you hate.

God hates all sin

I have no problem with sin, I am of sin I am from sin I serve sin still, as do we all if we can be honest.. I hate evil  and evil people which is not the same, but God hates them as well.

 

Tell me what heaven is like..and I see what;s missing in your life. 

Heaven scare me. It is going to be eternal service or a place where I have no currency/am no longer needed. 

Tell me who;s hellbound, and I know who you feel has slighted you.

we all are...

Now then sport I'm calling in your deductive ablity..

Who do I hate.
who do I like?
What is missing in my life?
who has slighted me?

The only think clear here is you nor the OP has any clue to the actual nature of Christianity/god heaven or Hell. your's is a broken understanding caught between the catholic church and islam/wish making.

We can't hate and enter Heaven. as If God can forgive you, you must forgive/not hate anyone else. 
It does not matter who or what we like as Christ Himself said many on that day will call out to me lord lord and I will say to them away from me you evil doers. Again and again only Jesus decides who is and is not Christian. our likes have nothing to do with it.


Heaven is not where the followers of Christ will dewell Heaven and the Holy City are reserved for God and his chosen elect. the rest live on a 'new earth' (which gives some credence to my alien theory) on this 'new earth' you will have a job to do. you are confusing christianity with the paradise of islam. Paradise was the garden, and that was destroyed for ever. We get a new heaven and a new earth. that's it.

Again can't enter heaven if you feel slighted. as you 'slighte' God to a much greater degree. and if he can for give you. then in turn you are commanded to forgive the lessor offense.

None of this is me. I want or expect the same BS you do. I'm not one to hold a grudge but if and when I do I have very very good reason to do so and in turn should not be commanded to let it go.

I also feel we should move into a paradise version of Heaven, but that is not what the bible describes.

Again I want the same BS most people want, but that is NOT what the bible describes.

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If you are not familiar with the words of God how in the world can you determine whether or not God is the one doing the talking?

If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does? do you have a picture of a burning bush or the clouds parting for you? if they did then your version of God would be doing the talking which amounts to little more than talking to yourself. Now if God is real and is His own being who's to say He does not have an account here? but because you do not recognise His words, you have no way identifying Him as God.

what instructions? Granted there are instructions to become a catholic, a baptist or a lutheran or something.. but you have to ask yourself do you want to be religious or do you want to know God. if you want to know God then pick up and follow where the bible leads.

And if we are not pretending?

and if it isn't? If God want to speak to the humble but not the proud would he not have to leave instruction on how they can get a hold of him?

...and if it is the God's honest truth?

if this was the case then this religion would have died as all the other unsupported religions. People are not stupid. in Rome the roman gods had power because the government empowered those gods. but when rome moved on, those God's lost power and died. How long has it been since a Christian run government completely supported 'god?'' HOw long since the dark ages? if 'truth' was there was no God then why did christianity last so long after the darkages? why?? because if you simply follow the bible you will find it to be true. You will find God as promised.

and if it was the truth, do you want us to stop because the truth shines a light where you prefer to keep in the dark?

what comfort moron? oblivion is the comfort, after death comes the judgement where is their comfort in judgement?

global warming? global ice age? hole in the ozone?global climate change due to carbon emissions? global climate change due to cow farts, that we are evolving and not de-evolving despite scientific evidence to the fact. pluto's a planet then not one, or the idea that we can accurate measure something we can not physically see, but count the darkness a shadow provides to caculate the objects mass. This is beyond stupid. yet I believe in a fairtale. better check your 'facts because everything here was 100% scientific fact/if you went against any of these facts in their time you'd be 100%... now all these "facts" are fairtales.

maybe you should tend to your own fair tales before you try and manage another's beliefs.

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So many ifs.

I've never considered if to be a proper incentive to forego with reason for faith.

Sorry sport there is only 1 if... and that is what "IF" you are wrong, and what I experienced with my own life is correct. But I guess when one's mind is tightly shut one if is one too many.

[Foxaèr]

Sorry sport there is only 1 if... and that is what "IF" you are wrong, and what I experienced with my own life is correct. But I guess when one's mind is tightly shut one if is one too many.

I could be wrong about Odin not existing, but a fairy tale's cure of salvation is still no incentive to believe.

[Minimalist]

But the descriptions of Valhalla have heaven beat to shit.

Mead and wenches.

[Angrboda]

This simply leads into a circular argument.

lazy diagnosis. i provide method of validation and verification. circular argument rely on unverified conjecture to vet a statement.

Oh? And what is that method?

[Drich]

If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does? do you have a picture of a burning bush or the clouds parting for you? if they did then your version of God would be doing the talking which amounts to little more than talking to yourself. Now if God is real and is His own being who's to say He does not have an account here? but because you do not recognise His words, you have no way identifying Him as God.

This simply leads into a circular argument.

Unless God left IDk some sort of book or manual that was designed to help the average smow to identify his thought and Ideas from spiritual baddies.