Question to theists

[The Grand Nudger]

^it's the old jealousy tale in the Torah, God accepts from the pious only and that causes people to be jealous and hate, and say "why don't you accept us".

And that is linked to their jealousy of the chosen ones, they don't accept them, and then hate us for the consequences.

Is that why you hate teh joos so damned much.....lol?

[Astreja]

Maybe that's why they cling to their hate, GC. It's all they have.

Oh, I assure you that I have much more than hate.

I am, however, utterly disgusted by people who say things to the effect of "Join my club, or this guy I know will torture you."  That is utterly rude and inexcusable, regardless of the motive.  If it was a demonstrably real person who was going to do the torturing, and the threat of harm was credible, then the "Join my club" person could be arrested, tried and convicted on the crime of uttering threats.  Because a god is the purported torturer, and the threat is not credible to an unbeliever, nothing can be done legally.

It's still a dick move, though, and it makes me want to have as little to do with Christianity as possible.

[Godscreated]

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God has healed amputees, everyone who has had a life threatening injury that ended in amputation and survived did so because God healed them. You want God to restore limbs, God is not in the business of restoring limbs, He is saving souls from an everlasting punishment called hell.

So your imaginary fiend  friend can create universes but not regenerate limbs -- something that a lizard can do?

He could easily do so, but there is no reason other than what God knows to be true that He should. God designed the lizard to be able to do so and that is not the only kind of animal that can do so. Evolution has a problem with different kinds of animals able to regenerate because the are not from the same group. 

Guess it's too busy feeling smug listening to all those people screaming in hell.

There is no one in hell yet, there has not been the judgement of mankind. Here is another reason those who are in heaven will never hear the people in hell living their self made torment, God want allow the happiness of those who chose Christ to be undermined by those who chose their own misery.

Fuck you and fuck the make-believe Holy Spirit too.  My personal wish is that your life goes down in flames of your own making, so that you can experience a taste of the hell that you so blithely imagine for us.

 Ah, the kindness of the atheist, it's no wonder that Christians think so little of atheist because this is the side most Christians see, however I have seen another side from some here. I do not have to imagine a hell it is well laid out in scripture what will happen to those who chose not to follow Christ. I did not make this up, it's been a part of what can happen to those who reject Christ from the moment Adam and Eve sinned. You wish on me all the terrible things you desire and I will rely on God through faith to take care of me, as long as my faith stays true then by the power of God I will have moved the mountain of trouble you want to come my way. Your attitude leads me to believe you are something less than a human that cares about others.

GC

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Maybe that's why they cling to their hate, GC. It's all they have.

I feel no hate.  I just want reason and evidence.  I wish a god was real.

 You do not have to wish, I can assure you He is real, more real than yourself because He is your creator. You only need to search the scriptures and God will reveal himself to a trusting heart. If you ever become serious about this PM me. There is no more I can do than point you in the right direction.

GC

[Astreja]

 Ah, the kindness of the atheist, it's no wonder that Christians think so little of atheist because this is the side most Christians see...

Usually right after you try to scare us into believing.  Funny, isn't it?

... however I have seen another side from some here. I do not have to imagine a hell it is well laid out in scripture what will happen to those who chose not to follow Christ.

The Bible holds considerably less meaning for me than Detective Comics #27, a Beatles movie, or even a nice tea and toast.  It's bad fiction designed to herd people like you into an archaic cult.  When you say "The Bible says..." my reaction is to shrug and say "So what?"

I did not make this up, it's been a part of what can happen to those who reject Christ from the moment Adam and Eve sinned. You wish on me all the terrible things you desire and I will rely on God through faith to take care of me, as long as my faith stays true then by the power of God I will have moved the mountain of trouble you want to come my way. Your attitude leads me to believe you are something less than a human that cares about others.

Ah, the butt-hurt Christian demonizing the non-Christians.

Again.  I see not all that much has changed since Christians invaded my ancestral homelands, murdered our elders, destroyed our shrines and forced your dead-rabbi-on-a-stick cult upon us at sword-point a thousand years ago.

I care passionately about people, and about the future of humanity.  That's why I want the mind-fuck of hellfire threats and childhood indoctrination to stop, once and for all.  If  it's necessary for your faith to be collateral damage on the way to that goal, so be it.

[Godscreated]

I see you are upset by the term limited mind being applied to you, like they say if the shoe fits wear it and it seems to fit you perfectly. God has power which in your limited minds capacity see it as magic, and because I know Him and have been given some understanding as to who He is I see God as perfectly powerful. Tell me why should I admit I'm wrong about something I know to be completely true, you've not proven anything to the contrary and as far as walking around this subject, well I've come at it head on and shown that you are the one who is mistaken and frankly hateful toward Christians and their understanding of real truth. If you do not like the way things are change what you can and that will not be me.

All you've succeeded in doing is showing that your testimony isn't worth shit.  You believe that you 'know' God because believing they know things they don't actually know is just something stupid people do.  All you've done is undermine your own testimony.

 Really how so, I tell what I know is fact and leave it up to you to accept or reject. You might believe I'm stupid and in some things that's probably true, but not in the case of God and I'm sorry that you can't see that I'm sincere in what I say, crude at time I  will agree, but always sincere. I'm listening to a song while I'm writing this, it's called "Shout" and it is about judgement and salvation, one of my favorite songs because it is about those who can yet escape the terrible judgement. The atheist here believe that Christians want to see atheist go to hell and if that were true then why are we the Christians here, think about that before condemning us in judgement of hatred.

GC

[Astreja]

GC, you haven't demonstrated that the "threat" is anything more than words in a book. There is no empirical evidence for life after death, or for heaven or for hell. Absent that evidence, you are just being a know-it-all twat by beating the same fucking drum day and night.

If you really believe in hell, and if you really believe non-believers are headed there, the first thing you should do is leave all Internet forums, retire to your private prayer closet, and spend the rest of your life praying to your god to abolish hell and spare the condemned.

[Godscreated]

Maybe that's why they cling to their hate, GC. It's all they have.

Oh, I assure you that I have much more than hate.

I am, however, utterly disgusted by people who say things to the effect of "Join my club, or this guy I know will torture you."  That is utterly rude and inexcusable, regardless of the motive.  If it was a demonstrably real person who was going to do the torturing, and the threat of harm was credible, then the "Join my club" person could be arrested, tried and convicted on the crime of uttering threats.  Because a god is the purported torturer, and the threat is not credible to an unbeliever, nothing can be done legally.

It's still a dick move, though, and it makes me want to have as little to do with Christianity as possible.

According to God there is nothing worse than hating another. The this guy you refer to will never torture you, you are making your own sentence as you go through each day and the only way you can escape what you have already made is through acceptance of Christ and the grace of God unto forgiveness. It is what I was doing with my life before Christ came into my life and removed that sentence. This is why I  witness here, I know Christians that I consider stronger than I am that will not come to such a sight because it scares them, scared or not I'm here because I care, I retaliate on occasion because of people who have the attitude you do toward Christians and will be unrelenting in their degrading comments. The greater part of my post are to help, even if it's crude.

GC

[Astreja]

According to God there is nothing worse than hating another.

There you go again, quoting a book that I think is fiction.  There are a lot of things worse than hate.

The this guy you refer to will never torture you, you are making your own sentence as you go through each day and the only way you can escape what you have already made is through acceptance of Christ and the grace of God unto forgiveness.

It is impossible for me to "accept Christ," and this is why:

• I do not think that the Jesus of the Gospels was a real person; at best, it's a heavily mythologized account of a small-time cult leader in Roman-occupied Judea, but the Jesus character could also be entirely fictional.
  
• I think the idea of people coming back from the dead is utterly ridiculous.
  
• I see the concept of substitutionary atonement as unspeakably vile, a colossal miscarriage of justice.  I also see acceptance of the alleged sacrifice of Jesus as a moral abomination, a despicable act of cowardice.  If there were actually a "mark of the Beast," it would be saying the Sinner's Prayer and meaning it.
  
• Speaking of "meaning it," I seem to be neurologically incapable of developing religious belief, and feigning it in the sense of "fake it till you make it" simply will not work. I can neither develop nor sustain belief in things that I think are absurd, and this whole "accept Jesus or go to hell" business is the quintessence of absurdity.
  

You simply don't have the power to lead me to Jesus, GC.  Deal with it.

[LadyForCamus]

So your imaginary fiend  friend can create universes but not regenerate limbs -- something that a lizard can do?

He could easily do so, but there is no reason other than what God knows to be true that He should. God designed the lizard to be able to do so and that is not the only kind of animal that can do so. Evolution has a problem with different kinds of animals able to regenerate because the are not from the same group. 

Guess it's too busy feeling smug listening to all those people screaming in hell.

There is no one in hell yet, there has not been the judgement of mankind. Here is another reason those who are in heaven will never hear the people in hell living their self made torment, God want allow the happiness of those who chose Christ to be undermined by those who chose their own misery.

Fuck you and fuck the make-believe Holy Spirit too.  My personal wish is that your life goes down in flames of your own making, so that you can experience a taste of the hell that you so blithely imagine for us.

 Ah, the kindness of the atheist, it's no wonder that Christians think so little of atheist because this is the side most Christians see, however I have seen another side from some here. I do not have to imagine a hell it is well laid out in scripture what will happen to those who chose not to follow Christ. I did not make this up, it's been a part of what can happen to those who reject Christ from the moment Adam and Eve sinned. You wish on me all the terrible things you desire and I will rely on God through faith to take care of me, as long as my faith stays true then by the power of God I will have moved the mountain of trouble you want to come my way. Your attitude leads me to believe you are something less than a human that cares about others.

GC

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I feel no hate.  I just want reason and evidence.  I wish a god was real.

 You do not have to wish, I can assure you He is real, more real than yourself because He is your creator. You only need to search the scriptures and God will reveal himself to a trusting heart. If you ever become serious about this PM me. There is no more I can do than point you in the right direction.

GC

Stories that people wrote about god are never going to convince me that god exists, GC.  You must realize that about most of us by now, don’t you?  The bible contains nothing but circular reasoning, and the only thing it makes evident is that people believed in a god.  Further, if a god does actually exist, I’m certain it’s not the spiteful, murderous egomaniac of the Christian faith.

[robvalue]

Clearly not, because its constant petty blundering meddling would be easy to detect.