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RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions
June 20, 2018 at 10:53 pm
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Im not really sure what the difference between "coming from the constitution" and "coming from an interpretation of the constitution" is supposed to be. Nevertheless, the issue has long been settled even though we still have yet to achieve it;s promise.
I was particularly surprised by the number of people who got that one wrong..though I was less surprised by their distribution by party. Having people ask me why immigrants should be afforded due process and equal protection has driven me nuts since the day I joined this board. It;s not just constitutional...it;s the fabric of the american identity which I was raised to defend.
That in america..no matter who you are or where you;re from..you have legal recourse.
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RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions
June 20, 2018 at 11:19 pm
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Coming from the constitution=explicitly stated within the Constitution.
Coming from an interpretation of the Constitution= Inferred from judges reading between the lines in the Constitution. Remember, judges in different eras ruled that Segregation was technically constitutional in the 1890s, and also inherently opposed to the same Constitution in the 1950s.
Granted, both the Constitution and the Opinions of the Supreme Court are the law of the land, but the thing is that my Plessy/Brown point shows how malleable it can be. With the right amount of determined judges and a the right case, those opinions can actually change, and so can the law. Hell, within the span of 43 years, laws against gay marriage were allowed to exist (Baker v. Nelson), and then with Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015, they were considered unconstitutional.
And do you think that if the Republican Party can get enough judges in the Supreme Court and get the right case, they can't find a way to consider laws against the bete noire de jour constitutional again? Looking at Wikipedia's list of overruled Supreme Court cases, I don't see any that were overruled, but then had that overruling overruled, but I can see no reason it can't happen.
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RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions
June 20, 2018 at 11:34 pm
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(June 20, 2018 at 11:19 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Coming from the constitution=explicitly stated within the Constitution.
Coming from an interpretation of the Constitution= Inferred from judges reading between the lines in the Constitution. Remember, judges in different eras ruled that Segregation was technically constitutional in the 1890s, and also inherently opposed to the same Constitution in the 1950s. You know the whole "separate but equal" thing..they had to add the equal to satisfy the explicit language of the constitution...in the 14th amendment. Obviously they;d have preferred to just leave it at separate..and in practical effect that;s what they did. It is explicit and it is also settled by interpretation that non citizens have rights....regardless of whether or not an abusive and overtly racist government wants to acknowledge them at any given time.
Thats what makes it a fact, rather than an opinion.
Quote:And do you think that if the Republican Party can get enough judges in the Supreme Court and get the right case, they can't find a way to consider laws against the bete noire de jour constitutional again? Looking at Wikipedia's list of overruled Supreme Court cases, I don't see any that were overruled, but then had that overruling overruled, but I can see no reason it can't happen.
Are you asking me if I think that the gop can subvert the laws and promise of our country......I;m starting to believe in them more and more on that count..yes.
That, admittedly, is an opinion, but if they keep doing their level best it could become a fact, lol. 
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RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions
June 20, 2018 at 11:41 pm
The only one I missed was the statement about "significant" amounts of land lost by ISIS. I don't have my thumb on the pulse of the conflict, but get skeevy around words like "significant". Guess I could have done some homework and researched it in another tab before answering. I did hover the mouse on it a bit before answering.
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RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions
June 20, 2018 at 11:54 pm
(June 20, 2018 at 11:41 pm)Fireball Wrote: The only one I missed was the statement about "significant" amounts of land lost by ISIS. I don't have my thumb on the pulse of the conflict, but get skeevy around words like "significant". Guess I could have done some homework and researched it in another tab before answering. I did hover the mouse on it a bit before answering.
One word: Mosul. Technically, that’s a name and not a word, but still.
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