Genesis interpretations - how many are there?

[The Grand Nudger]

There really isn;t any maybe about it.  It didn;t happen, and it was never meant to be taken in the way that you;ve chosen to saddle yourself with it.  Can you appreciate how pointless and damaging this all seems to someone who isn;t invested in your personal brand of nonsense?

[Succubus]

God created people outside of the garden, why did he do that,

So as to be breeding stock for the descendants/children of Adam who pass the soul Adam's linage would have onto the next generation. (it was part ofthe original plan of sin and redemption)

Ah! The land of Nod breeding stock, I forgot about that. Very good carry on.

[Drich]

So, by "die" magic book meant "will live a thousand years".

So by die it means that whatever form Adam took in the Garden with Eve died, and now will live with eve in the after life for 930 years. Adam works backwards from us, can't you see that? His life starts with God end in this Hell. We start with life in this Hell and end with God Death being the gateway for both! (don't know where that came from just wrote it out, but it jives with scripture so it good)

By "dust" magic book meant "carbon"

what is the dust of the ground's primary elemental componet.. what do you call carbon before there was a word for it morn? you describe it and give it your name. It's no different that speaking english to someone who speak korean. start with a common understanding then seek nuance. how are you this dense?

By "rib" magic book meant "DNA"

same thing bubble boy how do you describe something in a language that there is no word for?

....and the sun is a redundant piece of stellar bric a brac to photosynthetics.

No light was created day one

The sun came by later.

This means the sun is not the only lght plants can grow by... every hear of hydroponics??? kinda of a science thing... might want to google it before you "jorge" yourself into looking far more stupid than need be simply because you're trying to troll a topic and over look it obvious connection.

I;m not exactly filled with confidence that magic book can say what it means and mean what it says, or that the god that wrote it had a firm grip on how the earth (and it;s biota) formed.

 God almighty, help me..
YOU and this language is NOT the corner stone of society you think it to be. Look and listen white bread. outside your little world a much much larger world exist that has nothing to do with your piddly means of conveyance. Do you understand that your foundation for all knowledge seems to stem from the idea that english or your version of it is the galactic base language as it is in star wars. meaning for you all intelligence can be measured by how well someone knows or can communicate to you in your comfort language.

Listen only going to do this once...

THE WORLD DOES NOT EVOLVE NOR REVOLVE AROUND ENGLISH SPEAKING WESTERNERS. Meaning not every explanation not every word is going to have a word for word translation. and just because you can not proof a ancient text with MODERN ENGLISH WORDS Does not devalue the non english material.

You probable have no idea what I'm talking about... let me break it down so everyone can see how stupid you are:
you said:

I;m not exactly filled with confidence that magic book can say what it means and mean what it says, or that the god that wrote it had a firm grip on how the earth (and it;s biota) formed.

where to begin with this fun fest of hillbilly logic.. So the HB (Hill billy) looking at a literal english translation comes across a passage like man came from dust.. the hb looks at himself and says I'm not dust I'm flesh and bone.. (never mind what the majority of dust is human skin fragments nor what our bones turn into once decalcified) Then it is explained.. So the hillbilly then mocks the descriptive way the bible has to use to speak to men 5000 years ago. Then the HB reads A&E died, but then read they are alive on earth... So rather than think about it for a tick, the HB mocks the idea of how one can be alive but dead... all the while in the bigger grand scheme the whole book is about living after death, but because someone did not hold the HB hand through this process the first time he can not make the connection on his own, and in the HB eye... if this were supposed to be a book written by God he would not have to be made to think about stuff, that the answer should be shown him off the top. The poor HB doesn't understand that just because the truth does not illude everyone as it does him. And it only does so because he uses his Hillbilly life experience to judge what is not meant to be judge by a hill billy. Fore what measure what life experience could a hill billy possible have to make such a statement.

This, seems to me..to be more reason to distrust magic book than acknowledging that at least some parts of it are intentionally metaphoric.

what magic? there isn't much in this book we can't do now ourselves moron. Again any sufficiently advance technology is indistinguishable to a less advanced person. Nothing in the bible says God has to be magic HB. You assume that because you HB ways demand it. Your HB ways will not allow God to grow with your understanding of his creation. However if you did you'd be able to use science to know more of God.

bible says Jesus=Son of God

You just -might- be missing an idiom, not entirely unlike the whole "you will die, will die" spiel daddy god gives his naked garden frolicking teenagers.

bible says Jesus to take part in 7 day creation

Idiom, again.  Seven was considered a sacred number, it;s use denotes perfection of process, not a strict accounting of a length of time.

bible says Jesus to actually enact bring fourth the will of the father here.

....and?

Again it does not matter what people think about God. If you are worshiping the God of the bible then it only matter what the bible says about God. do you dig that?

I still don;t see any necessity for a literal reading of genesis.  

If The bible says Jesus says he was apart of ABC then that become cannon which becomes apart of the belief system. take away this work and Jesus is not what He claims to be.

Your inability to believe in the event that genesis is the fairy tale that it;s always been is no barrier to god belief..or even to there being a god.  

can't see a problem with that? then that is fine let the christians worry about that

..............they don;t...though, which is why I asked you.  You worry about it enough to make a fool of yourself time and time again where no one else seems to find any need or utility.
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again hb let the christians worry about such things... you need not hurt yourself worrying about 'doctrine.'

[vorlon13]

[cough, cough]

Genesis 10 (KJV)
5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Genesis 11 (KJV)
11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

[The Grand Nudger]

Give me any reason to side with that wall of shit over the rabbinic interpretation, Drich.  You;re arguing with jewish tradition..over what jewish tradition is or should be. May as well argue with me about my daughters name.

[vorlon13]

Um . . . .



They murdered Jesus ?

[Drich]

It's worth noting that Genesis 2 has man being created outside the Garden of Eden, so there's no need to separate the two narratives.

you jorged you self again!

"man was shown to be created outside of the garden, so bla bla bla..."

You intentional grounding of the facts has made you look like you have a major lack of understanding in the basic fundamentals of a subject matter. 

Yes God made the first man/Adam outside the garden but verse 15 after the garden was complete he placed Adam in the garden to take care of it. so again back to two split narratives. one had day 3.5 man/adam and day 6 man as two separate points in creation. 

Why do you do this? you can't be this stupid, you have to had read verse 15, you read everything. I can only assume that you think I never read verse 15 or didn't understand it... (again this is one of those God given/God inspired teaching i get, you the pope nor any rabbi will ever EVER break one of these teachings) With the Nazi thing I get, as you have no idea how much I've studied that era and nazi propaganda as it relates to the church. but here? why here? you troll so much I don't know when you seriously don't know or if you just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. if the later what a dishonest thing to do. do you not care about your intellectual character at all? it is ok to be dishonest with christians in your world? WTF?

As to the length of Adam's life, your whole invention rests upon a presumed literality of the narrative and God's claim.  Turning around and then insisting on a non-literal interpretation of Adam's supposed death is simply being inconsistent, and amounts to yet one more ad hoc hypothesis.  Generally speaking, the more of those you have to make, the worse it is for your theory.  

here you go again? trolling not trolling???
As with Kemmie simple explanation:

Adam's life with God in the garden is the same as our life is to be after our death. Now his/adam's life after death is our hell or life now. Death being the common denominator... Do you get it? his life starts in heaven/paradise/garden of eden with God. Dies comes to Earth/Satan's dominion works his a-off. This world being the closest thing satan will have to a kingdom.. 

most douches think Hell is Satan's kingdom, no this world is. So Adam dies goes to a satan run world for his sin. We are born slaves to sin in this world, die and goto Heaven... Adam lived a backwards life. that is why God created man both in and out of the garden. 

So Adam lived 930 years in this Hell. He did not live 930 years in Hell and with God He lived with God for an undisclosed amount of time. DIED as God and He Himself said He would and was punished in this realm for 930 years.

As to the exit point, nothing in Genesis fixes the time when Adam and Eve left the garden, so the events detailed after Genesis 2:5 could all have occurred on the sixth day, as stated in Genesis 1.  You need an end point to your timeline.  (In addition to other assumptions, such as completeness, genre, and so on.)

Again,  I don't understand what you really understand or not. I see an end pint clear as day... I've mentioned it a dozen times to you so I can't understand why you keep bring this up.

THE END POINT WAS THE FALL when was the fall 6000 years ago.

Now was 6000 years ago day 8 idk could be what does the rest of the evidence say? what does science say? The bible is silent on the length of time so does science have anything to say.. oh that's right science says 100 billion years from the end of chapter 2 and the beginning of chapter 3.

How do you not get that? it's not one narrative it is both. to start you can take genesis 1 and 2 at 100% face value. then for your end point look to the bible and it is open ended till 6000 years or so ago. then look at the scientific narrative it demand 100 billion years... so then ask is there anything in the biblical narritive that will prevent this 100 billion years? Got immortal life in the garden and a heaven may care what happens outside the garden (meaning anything can happen any amount of time can pass as nothing more outside of chapter one is recorded.) so 100 billion years and evolution or a 100 billion years and devlution.. or 50 billion and fill in the blank up to 6000 years ago where the bible demand an end to the garden narrative. 

Tell me you get this..

[The Grand Nudger]

Um . . . .



They murdered Jesus ?

LOL, the one thing they got right. 

[robvalue]

The fact that not even all Christians can even agree on whether the first story is literal or not shows you just how bad a job God did communicating. You'd think he could at least come and clear that bit up, to get them started.

Funnily enough, atheists seem to pretty much all agree on what happened there.

[The Grand Nudger]

So..just to make sure I;m seeing this right..is Drich, above, claiming to have a private line to god..... that;s vouched for his personal version of the story and declared it to be infallible now and forever?

That;s some desperate shit.