Genesis interpretations - how many are there?

[Silver]

Only for the extra personality that exists in his mind.

[vorlon13]

Only for the extra personality that exists in his mind.

It's really simple, you see, any verse that reads or sounds inconvenient MUST mean something else. We just need to get the right thesaurus, dictionary, translation, spin, weasel words or non sequiturs and soon enough all is well in Christendom again.

All 70,000+ schisms, denoms, unaffiliateds, sects, cults, spin offs and wholly disowned subsidiaries are then safe to continue to peddle their 69,999+ heresies without those pesky atheists queering the debate with their annoying questions.

Why, some of them can even turn ADULTERY into a SACRAMENT !!!! And as long as it ain't an atheist promoting it, no problem.

[JairCrawford]

Whew! Sounds like you've had some run ins with some of us crazy Pentecostals in the past! :B

The word pneuma has connections with the older Hebrew word ruwach which meant wind, breath, soul, and yes, spirit.

Actually, we have to look at every word that has to do with breathing in order to get the complete, simple as can be, understanding of the Word of God. We MUST keep in it's immediate and broader context and understand it's usage. These words include ruwack: neshamah: nephesh, pneuma: psuchE: aimE. As will as the adjectives which modify them and other words associated with the act of breathing. It is a major subject in Scripture.

Also Vital is to understand that the Word of God came to us from Hebrew to Aramaic to Greek to English. So, every imported thought must be brought forward. We cannot ignore the Hebrew words when we translate the Greek and we must not give these words an English only meaning and impose English thinking skill onto Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew thinking skills. 

If we do this then Jesus said, "I give you my life-breath" NOT that he gave God "His Spirit". It is simple and not catapult trajectory calculations.


The idea of "soul" and "spirit" was brought into human psychology through Aristotle(who was with Alexander the Great when he came to Jerusalem) who explained to the Jews about the material and immaterial of mankind as very little of the afterlife was mentioned at that time. Really? Aristotle? Did God choose Aristotle to teach His people? I think not! Well, they bought it hook, line and sinker!

It has been my privilege and honor to gather the information necessary to unravel that rat nested fishing reel! What a mess!

If you care to learn more you can read my eBook Wake Up Call: William McCoy where I deal with this subject in detail starting with the chapter: Breathing 101. I'll give you the first bit as I think it is funny:


 Breathing: 101
 

Attention pastor-teachers, (so called)evangelists, preachers and teachers of all kinds (and all those who assume they are just as smart). Did you-all skip the first grade? Because your-all so smart? Did your seminaries and professors say to you, “Let’s skip the first grade as it’s all about breathing and purity. ‘Let us go on to ‘Holy Spirit’, ‘spirits’ , ‘souls’, ‘sanctification’ and ‘eternal’ things and be ‘holy’ and ‘godly’ and leave the first grade behind”’?

Today I am your teacher and you are my disciple-student! Tomorrow I am your disciple once again but, today you are mine, and I’m going to take you back to the first grade; which you-all obviously skipped, being so damned smart!

 

 

psuchE

Hello boys and girls! Today we are going to learn about “breathing”. Does everybody know how to breathe? I see you are all breathing! Very, very good boys and girls. That type of breathing is called “psuchE” in the Greek Newer Testament(covenants). psuchE is a noun which refers to “natural breath”. “psuchO” is a verb which refers to the act of breathing that which is natural and breathing naturally, just as you’re all doing right now! Sometimes psuchO refers to breathing on something to cool it down like when you blow on a spoonful of hot soup. It is said, in the bible, to be “refreshing” like a cool breeze on a hot day! It is the same kind of breathing and breath your doggies and kitties do and have! It is sometimes used figuratively to refer to your natural and instinctive intellect as a natural breathing thinking person with a natural breath, instinct, intellect and life. The Word of God also tells us that psuchE also has the ability to discern; which is sometimes erroneously referred to as a “conscience”. Do you know that you do that type of breathing all the time without even trying? “psuchE” is usually translated in your bibles as “soul”.

Yes Alan, “Teacher, why do they translate “psuchE” as “soul”? Very good question Alan! Because someone said, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, that this type of breath is an immaterial part of man so they invented the word “soul” to mean an immaterial part of man and animals instead of being literal with the translation of that word which has been very confusing to us all. Whereas God says, “breath of life” and that the “life in mankind is in his nostrils”. Also, psuchE has a verb form and an adjective form which makes the word “soul” silly. Now let me show you a passage in the bible to show you what I mean.

 

Hyper-Literal: Yet [ ]natural-breath-production-man(adjective psuchikos from psuchE) not he-is-receiving(middle-passive) thee-all-things of-thee pneumatos(genitive of pneuma-breath, neuter) namely--of-thee God for (2)it-is (1)stupidity to-him-same (3-)and not he-is-able(acting upon himself) to-know that pneumatically(adverb, by the pneuma-breath of God) he(natural breathing man)-is-being-examined(to be investigated, examined, enquired into, scrutinized, sifted, questioned). Yet thee pneumatikos-man(adjective, a pneumatic man living in the production of the pneuma-breath of God, the God breathed Scripture and God breathed life) he-is-examining(to investigate, examine, enquire into, scrutinize, sift, question) indeed/truly all-things yet, him-same under(authority) of-no-man(no one) he-is-being-examined(to be investigated, examined, enquired into, scrutinized, sifted, questioned), For who-any? he(natural breathing man)-knows(to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of)* mind [the character and nature]of-lord(delegated authority) who he(natural breathing man)-shall(in the future)-be-to-teach-one/to-instruct-one him-same(pneumatic-man)? Yet we-all (being pneumatic) mind [the character and nature]of-anointed(given destiny) we-all-are(and keep on)-possessing. 1 Cor 2:14-16

 
 

pneuma

 

“pneuma” is another type of breath which is not natural breath like psuchE. pneuma must be breathed into you before you can breathe it out! It can literally be translated as “breath-effect”. There is bad pneuma from the world and good pneuma from God. The bible calls good pneuma “holy” which simply means that it is pure being of God; separated a class from a class from any other breath, like a mouth-to-mouth kiss from God Himself! It figuratively refers to God breathing into you His very own intellect, including the God-breathed Scripture itself, as well as, life through study! Isn’t that exciting boy and girls to know that you can breathe the very breath of God! Breathing God’s breath, the pure pneuma, will clean and purify you. pneuma is usually translated in your bibles as “spirit” or “the Holy Spirit”.

 

Yes Billy, “Teacher, why do they translate pneuma as “spirit” or “the Holy Spirit”? Great question Billy! One of the many words which refer to breathing and breath in the Older Testament(covenants) Hebrew, translated into English as “spirit”, is “ruwack”. “ruwack” literally translated means: “living-breath”.

 

Many years ago, even before Jesus was born, many(70) great scholars of God’s word translated the Hebrew Scripture into the Greek. This is called the “Septuagint” or “LXX(70)”. It has been said that many of the writers of the Newer Testament(covenants), and even Jesus Himself, sometimes quoted or paraphrased the Septuagint. In the Septuagint they translated the word “ruwach” as “pneuma” which also means breath so there is no conflict.

 

Hundreds of years later they(Jerome) translated the Older and Newer Testament(covenants) from the original languages into Latin. In the Latin Vulgate bible they translate “ruwach” and “pneuma” by the Latin word “spiritus” which also means breathing so again, there is no conflict. But for some absolutely insane, crazy, unimaginable reason, when they translated the Greek and Hebrew into English, instead of properly translating pneuma and ruwach as breath, they instead transliterated the Latin “spiritus” as “spirit” into English! What a mess! So, for hundreds of years man has been inventing and reinventing a “spirit” of both man and God. They even invented the one God as a “Trinity” to justify their erroneous ignorance and rejection of the first grade biblical concept of breathing and call it “the unspoken truth”! Indeed, if God has not spoken it: how can it be truth?!

 

Now, isn’t that silly boys and girls? Indeed, if God is 100% and we try to divide Him by three we get 33.3%. Now, we cannot put Him back together again because the answer would be 99.9%! Silly, isn’t it!

 

Yes parent, “Now Bill, the ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’ is one of the basic tenets of our faith.” Fine then, go follow your magical “faith”. As for me, I will follow Jesus--THE LIVING WORD OF GOD!               

You can argue that point with much of the Old Testament. I even did so in my amateur attempt to translate Genesis 1-11.

"The breath-wind of Elohim fluttered [softly] upon the waters of [chaos,] the deep [abyss]."

But when you get to the New Testament, translating every instance of the word spirit into breath-wind makes absolutely no sense.

"But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Breath-Wind is not forgiven and guilty of an eternal sin."

See what I mean? What even pre-Aristotle influenced Jewish belief would such a statement represent? I don't know of any.

[Minimalist]

The problem with you and FM is that you cherry pick what you want instead

Now that, G-C, is one of the funniest things you have ever said.  The irony of that statement coming from a xhristard is really too much!

[Mister Agenda]

I wonder why modern Christians think God made the universe out of nothing when in the account he creates a space within the primordial waters of chaos for the earth to exist in, and creates a firmament to keep the water out (except for as much rain as God desires). Far below the foundations of the earth was the 'great deep', from which the waters needed for a global flood could be tapped, and to which they could go when it was time for the flood to subside. No more origin is given for the waters than for God, God doesn't create the waters in the account, his spirit moves over them to separate them. Just sayin'.

[Haipule]

I'm sure Drich will be along momentarily to show all us ignerunt sinnurs that yet ANOTHER plainly worded Bible verse REALLY means EXACTLY the opposite of what is written because Drich says so.

The problem with you and FM is that you cherry pick what you want instead of trying to understand what the Bible is really saying. God promises to create another heaven and earth after the sin struck one is destroyed.

GC

Really Dude? Where in the Hebrew and Greek did God ever "create" anything? All the original verbs have to do with making(John 1), forming(asah: Adam), building(banah: Eve)! And God did NOT create from ex nilio! Because there is no such thing as "nothing". Just ask Nicola Tesla!

Both Peter and Paul, on the same subject, are explaining to you that heaven(ouranos sky: up) and land(gE: down), authority structures, will all fall like dominos. Therefore, Peter asks us all, "what manner of man should we be?"

Why in hell would he ask that if there is going to be a "new" heaven and a "new" earth? ouranos sky, heaven: up authority. It is NOT all God in "Heaven":

“From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven ]suffers violence, and violent men ]take it by force. Matthew 11:12 NASB.

The Greek word basileia, translated "kingdom", means rulership and not realm; it means dominion not domain; it means king not kingdom.


Dude! It's just up and down! Am I making this too difficult for you?

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Actually, we have to look at every word that has to do with breathing in order to get the complete, simple as can be, understanding of the Word of God. We MUST keep in it's immediate and broader context and understand it's usage. These words include ruwack: neshamah: nephesh, pneuma: psuchE: aimE. As will as the adjectives which modify them and other words associated with the act of breathing. It is a major subject in Scripture.

Also Vital is to understand that the Word of God came to us from Hebrew to Aramaic to Greek to English. So, every imported thought must be brought forward. We cannot ignore the Hebrew words when we translate the Greek and we must not give these words an English only meaning and impose English thinking skill onto Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew thinking skills. 

If we do this then Jesus said, "I give you my life-breath" NOT that he gave God "His Spirit". It is simple and not catapult trajectory calculations.


The idea of "soul" and "spirit" was brought into human psychology through Aristotle(who was with Alexander the Great when he came to Jerusalem) who explained to the Jews about the material and immaterial of mankind as very little of the afterlife was mentioned at that time. Really? Aristotle? Did God choose Aristotle to teach His people? I think not! Well, they bought it hook, line and sinker!

It has been my privilege and honor to gather the information necessary to unravel that rat nested fishing reel! What a mess!

If you care to learn more you can read my eBook Wake Up Call: William McCoy where I deal with this subject in detail starting with the chapter: Breathing 101. I'll give you the first bit as I think it is funny:


 Breathing: 101
 

Attention pastor-teachers, (so called)evangelists, preachers and teachers of all kinds (and all those who assume they are just as smart). Did you-all skip the first grade? Because your-all so smart? Did your seminaries and professors say to you, “Let’s skip the first grade as it’s all about breathing and purity. ‘Let us go on to ‘Holy Spirit’, ‘spirits’ , ‘souls’, ‘sanctification’ and ‘eternal’ things and be ‘holy’ and ‘godly’ and leave the first grade behind”’?

Today I am your teacher and you are my disciple-student! Tomorrow I am your disciple once again but, today you are mine, and I’m going to take you back to the first grade; which you-all obviously skipped, being so damned smart!

 

 

psuchE

Hello boys and girls! Today we are going to learn about “breathing”. Does everybody know how to breathe? I see you are all breathing! Very, very good boys and girls. That type of breathing is called “psuchE” in the Greek Newer Testament(covenants). psuchE is a noun which refers to “natural breath”. “psuchO” is a verb which refers to the act of breathing that which is natural and breathing naturally, just as you’re all doing right now! Sometimes psuchO refers to breathing on something to cool it down like when you blow on a spoonful of hot soup. It is said, in the bible, to be “refreshing” like a cool breeze on a hot day! It is the same kind of breathing and breath your doggies and kitties do and have! It is sometimes used figuratively to refer to your natural and instinctive intellect as a natural breathing thinking person with a natural breath, instinct, intellect and life. The Word of God also tells us that psuchE also has the ability to discern; which is sometimes erroneously referred to as a “conscience”. Do you know that you do that type of breathing all the time without even trying? “psuchE” is usually translated in your bibles as “soul”.

Yes Alan, “Teacher, why do they translate “psuchE” as “soul”? Very good question Alan! Because someone said, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, that this type of breath is an immaterial part of man so they invented the word “soul” to mean an immaterial part of man and animals instead of being literal with the translation of that word which has been very confusing to us all. Whereas God says, “breath of life” and that the “life in mankind is in his nostrils”. Also, psuchE has a verb form and an adjective form which makes the word “soul” silly. Now let me show you a passage in the bible to show you what I mean.

 

Hyper-Literal: Yet [ ]natural-breath-production-man(adjective psuchikos from psuchE) not he-is-receiving(middle-passive) thee-all-things of-thee pneumatos(genitive of pneuma-breath, neuter) namely--of-thee God for (2)it-is (1)stupidity to-him-same (3-)and not he-is-able(acting upon himself) to-know that pneumatically(adverb, by the pneuma-breath of God) he(natural breathing man)-is-being-examined(to be investigated, examined, enquired into, scrutinized, sifted, questioned). Yet thee pneumatikos-man(adjective, a pneumatic man living in the production of the pneuma-breath of God, the God breathed Scripture and God breathed life) he-is-examining(to investigate, examine, enquire into, scrutinize, sift, question) indeed/truly all-things yet, him-same under(authority) of-no-man(no one) he-is-being-examined(to be investigated, examined, enquired into, scrutinized, sifted, questioned), For who-any? he(natural breathing man)-knows(to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of)* mind [the character and nature]of-lord(delegated authority) who he(natural breathing man)-shall(in the future)-be-to-teach-one/to-instruct-one him-same(pneumatic-man)? Yet we-all (being pneumatic) mind [the character and nature]of-anointed(given destiny) we-all-are(and keep on)-possessing. 1 Cor 2:14-16

 
 

pneuma

 

“pneuma” is another type of breath which is not natural breath like psuchE. pneuma must be breathed into you before you can breathe it out! It can literally be translated as “breath-effect”. There is bad pneuma from the world and good pneuma from God. The bible calls good pneuma “holy” which simply means that it is pure being of God; separated a class from a class from any other breath, like a mouth-to-mouth kiss from God Himself! It figuratively refers to God breathing into you His very own intellect, including the God-breathed Scripture itself, as well as, life through study! Isn’t that exciting boy and girls to know that you can breathe the very breath of God! Breathing God’s breath, the pure pneuma, will clean and purify you. pneuma is usually translated in your bibles as “spirit” or “the Holy Spirit”.

 

Yes Billy, “Teacher, why do they translate pneuma as “spirit” or “the Holy Spirit”? Great question Billy! One of the many words which refer to breathing and breath in the Older Testament(covenants) Hebrew, translated into English as “spirit”, is “ruwack”. “ruwack” literally translated means: “living-breath”.

 

Many years ago, even before Jesus was born, many(70) great scholars of God’s word translated the Hebrew Scripture into the Greek. This is called the “Septuagint” or “LXX(70)”. It has been said that many of the writers of the Newer Testament(covenants), and even Jesus Himself, sometimes quoted or paraphrased the Septuagint. In the Septuagint they translated the word “ruwach” as “pneuma” which also means breath so there is no conflict.

 

Hundreds of years later they(Jerome) translated the Older and Newer Testament(covenants) from the original languages into Latin. In the Latin Vulgate bible they translate “ruwach” and “pneuma” by the Latin word “spiritus” which also means breathing so again, there is no conflict. But for some absolutely insane, crazy, unimaginable reason, when they translated the Greek and Hebrew into English, instead of properly translating pneuma and ruwach as breath, they instead transliterated the Latin “spiritus” as “spirit” into English! What a mess! So, for hundreds of years man has been inventing and reinventing a “spirit” of both man and God. They even invented the one God as a “Trinity” to justify their erroneous ignorance and rejection of the first grade biblical concept of breathing and call it “the unspoken truth”! Indeed, if God has not spoken it: how can it be truth?!

 

Now, isn’t that silly boys and girls? Indeed, if God is 100% and we try to divide Him by three we get 33.3%. Now, we cannot put Him back together again because the answer would be 99.9%! Silly, isn’t it!

 

Yes parent, “Now Bill, the ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’ is one of the basic tenets of our faith.” Fine then, go follow your magical “faith”. As for me, I will follow Jesus--THE LIVING WORD OF GOD!               

You can argue that point with much of the Old Testament. I even did so in my amateur attempt to translate Genesis 1-11.

"The breath-wind of Elohim fluttered [softly] upon the waters of [chaos,] the deep [abyss]."

But when you get to the New Testament, translating every instance of the word spirit into breath-wind makes absolutely no sense.

"But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Breath-Wind is not forgiven and guilty of an eternal sin."

See what I mean? What even pre-Aristotle influenced Jewish belief would such a statement represent? I don't know of any.

Cool Dude! 

You quoted Mark 3:29--badly!

Hyper-Literal: yet he-who whensoever shall speak evil into the pneuma-breath, namely--thee pure-one, not he-is-having pardon(release from bondage) unto thee breath-being(aiOn), rather liable he-is(right here, right now) of-breath-being-belonging-to-her(aiOnios) judgment(feminine)"--because they-had-spoken-out, "pneuma-breath unclean He(Jesus)-is-having ." Mark 3:29-30 NASB

We also have a similar passage in Matthew and Luke.

Get this crap from "hamartiology"(a vastly stupid subject)!

Eternal [b]sins[/b] or unforgivable sins or unpardonable sins are part of Christian hamartiology, which is the Christian theology of sins. These are sins which will not be forgiven by God whereby salvation becomes impossible.

Yet, all those words, "spirit(spiritus: breath)", "sin(sinistra: left hand)" "Salvation"(salvationem from the verb salvi: to rescue) are all Latin words completely masking the Greek words pneuma: breathing intellect and/or life from an exterior source; hamartia(miss, amiss, off-course, wayward); sOtEria(deliver, rescue, save from harm, rescue, made whole, kept safe and sound).


We must come to understand pneuma, hamartia and sOtEria. Spirit, sin and salvation are a complete WASTE of our time and cause nothing but endless arguments!

And by the way, "blasphemy" is an English word transliterated from the Greek blasphEmia. That's right, you guessed it! Yet another untranslated biblical word! blasphEmia means: slander. Not what any idiot invents it to mean.


You see friend: Jesus said that HIS words(pneuma), which He had spoken to them, was not open to being slandered and that there would be no release from that dept incurred by them in any aiOn(breath-being: unspecified length of time). The people there involved with the blasphEmia against Jesus' words had to pay a price in full while they lived.


Remember this always, God's payback is a bitch!


Men do not despise a thief if he steals To satisfy himself when he is hungry; But when he is found, he must repay sevenfold; He must give all the substance(wealth--which he should have used to buy food) of his house. Prov 6:30-31 NASB

[Haipule]

I wonder why modern Christians think God made the universe out of nothing when in the account he creates a space within the primordial waters of chaos for the earth to exist in, and creates a firmament to keep the water out (except for as much rain as God desires). Far below the foundations of the earth was the 'great deep', from which the waters needed for a global flood could be tapped, and to which they could go when it was time for the flood to subside. No more origin is given for the waters than for God, God doesn't create the waters in the account, his spirit moves over them to separate them. Just sayin'.

Yes, the word you translated as "move" means to incubate. "His spirit(breath)" is global warming! Yet, that word is not in question. Because, the previous understanding of science did not include a "Snowball" earth! That one time pseudo science is now a broadly accepted proven reality! Yet, how can anything live in a "snowball' environment?! The answer is no, nothing could live. Yet, we do right! It's a God thing! You theological atheists can just shut the hell up! All theologians can bite me! Neither have any authority, nor ability to claim that "Snowball Earth" never happened. 

Then, evolution is pre "snowball" only! I will never deny that! There is absativally no evidence of evolution after "snowball"! NOT ONE! Micro only! Just sayin!

[Mister Agenda]

I wonder why modern Christians think God made the universe out of nothing when in the account he creates a space within the primordial waters of chaos for the earth to exist in, and creates a firmament to keep the water out (except for as much rain as God desires). Far below the foundations of the earth was the 'great deep', from which the waters needed for a global flood could be tapped, and to which they could go when it was time for the flood to subside. No more origin is given for the waters than for God, God doesn't create the waters in the account, his spirit moves over them to separate them. Just sayin'.

Yes, the word you translated as "move" means to incubate. "His spirit(breath)" is global warming! Yet, that word is not in question. Because, the previous understanding of science did not include a "Snowball" earth! That one time pseudo science is now a broadly accepted proven reality! Yet, how can anything live in a "snowball' environment?! The answer is no, nothing could live. Yet, we do right! It's a God thing! You theological atheists can just shut the hell up! All theologians can bite me! Neither have any authority, nor ability to claim that "Snowball Earth" never happened. 

Then, evolution is pre "snowball" only! I will never deny that! There is absativally no evidence of evolution after "snowball"! NOT ONE! Micro only! Just sayin!

Wow.

[Crossless2.0]

Yes, the word you translated as "move" means to incubate. "His spirit(breath)" is global warming! Yet, that word is not in question. Because, the previous understanding of science did not include a "Snowball" earth! That one time pseudo science is now a broadly accepted proven reality! Yet, how can anything live in a "snowball' environment?! The answer is no, nothing could live. Yet, we do right! It's a God thing! You theological atheists can just shut the hell up! All theologians can bite me! Neither have any authority, nor ability to claim that "Snowball Earth" never happened. 

Then, evolution is pre "snowball" only! I will never deny that! There is absativally no evidence of evolution after "snowball"! NOT ONE! Micro only! Just sayin!

Wow.

I'll have what he's smoking.

[The Grand Nudger]

Thats a novel post ice-age interpretation, however, wrong on all relevant counts.  Genesis is still not literal.  Evolution has effected life since the very first instance of replication, and continues to do so.