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Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
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RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
(August 3, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Aegon Wrote: The only truly non biased source is Reuters

I forgot about Reuters. They're good.
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#22
RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
(August 3, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(August 3, 2018 at 3:26 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You don't think npr is biased?

I haven't got that vibe from them. I see plenty of pieces that are negative for both sides of the aisle, which is usually a decent indicator that, if there is bias, it's as minimal as it gets in mainstream media.

I don't listen to their news on the radio very much, although I used to and liked it for their tone at least, and that you'd hear stories that you aren't likely to hear elsewhere. In the early 2000s they definitely leaned left.

I do listen to three of their podcasts, including their political one, and I'd say they are 100% left wing.

Not that that means anything. Vice news leans left too, but that doesn't mean they can't report the news accurately.
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#23
RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
(August 3, 2018 at 3:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Reality has a well know liberal bias..however..NPR is very credible, and dishes out centrist reporting.  The idea that it's a liberal bastion is more a quirk and consequence of it being a non-profit.  Soshulisms bad, mkay!  Wink

PBS's  Frontline is very objective too.
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#24
RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
Also I want to point out that in my opening post I didn't ask if something was biased, but if it were trustworthy. I think you can have a political bias and still be trustworthy.

In fact I think pretending to be unbiased and actually being biased is untrustworthy. Hence why 'fair and balanced' gets mocked. You can also be unbiased and not have good or accurate reporting.
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RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
(August 3, 2018 at 3:45 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:
(August 3, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: I haven't got that vibe from them. I see plenty of pieces that are negative for both sides of the aisle, which is usually a decent indicator that, if there is bias, it's as minimal as it gets in mainstream media.

I don't listen to their news on the radio very much, although I used to and liked it for their tone at least, and that you'd hear stories that you aren't likely to hear elsewhere. In the early 2000s they definitely leaned left.

I do listen to three of their podcasts, including their political one, and I'd say they are 100% left wing.

Not that that means anything. Vice news leans left too, but that doesn't mean they can't report the news accurately.

I don't listen to podcasts. I read the news, so we're probably getting different experiences.
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RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
(August 3, 2018 at 3:54 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Also I want to point out that in my opening post I didn't ask if something was biased, but if it were trustworthy. I think you can have a political bias and still be trustworthy.

In fact I think pretending to be unbiased and actually being biased is untrustworthy. Hence why 'fair and balanced' gets mocked. You can also be unbiased and not have good or accurate reporting.

I tend to trust biased reporting less than unbiased or mostly unbiased reporting. Bias comes with a lot of cherry-picking and pre-conceived notions, even if it's unintentional. I'm asked to report on news from time to time, and I know I do it too. That's why I tend to prefer really dry commentary. Effusive writing turns me off the piece. A list of facts would be my favorite news piece ever.
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#27
RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
I had an idea once to create "Boring News" which would specifically only report on stuff that happened and was relevant. No opinion pieces. On top of that, articles would be written by a pair of authors, one from the left, one from the right, and then would be further reviewed by people of differing political views (i.e. centrists, libertarians, etc.) to weed out any lingering bias.

It would be the most dry, boring (hence the name) news you'd ever read, but at least you'd know it was as unbiased as I think you can possibly get.
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#28
RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
(August 3, 2018 at 3:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Reality has a well know liberal bias..however..NPR is very credible, and dishes out centrist reporting.  The idea that it's a liberal bastion is more a quirk and consequence of it being a non-profit.  Soshulisms bad, mkay!  Wink

Conservatards call anything that disputes their bullshit a "liberal bastion."
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#29
RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
I've never really focused on the news other than as a source of entertainment. Given the divisive politics afoot in the U.S., I'm beginning to think I need to pay more attention.
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#30
RE: Most (and least) trustworthy news sources.
(August 3, 2018 at 3:45 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:
(August 3, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: I haven't got that vibe from them. I see plenty of pieces that are negative for both sides of the aisle, which is usually a decent indicator that, if there is bias, it's as minimal as it gets in mainstream media.

I don't listen to their news on the radio very much, although I used to and liked it for their tone at least, and that you'd hear stories that you aren't likely to hear elsewhere. In the early 2000s they definitely leaned left.

I do listen to three of their podcasts, including their political one, and I'd say they are 100% left wing.

Not that that means anything. Vice news leans left too, but that doesn't mean they can't report the news accurately.

NPR is my go-to choice most of the time when I'm driving somewhere. I appreciate the civil tone they maintain. I also appreciate that when they involve conservative voices in their segments (a fairly common occurrence), they tend to be thoughtful people with relevant expertise, not the same couple of dozen braying asses one always sees on the cable news networks. I also enjoy watching the News Hour on public television, for much the same reason.

The NYT and the Post are good sources of news (you don't have to read the Op-Ed page, after all), and Aegon is spot-on about Reuters setting the standard for neutral, objective reporting. I occasionally also buy the WSJ for their focus on business news.

BBC news is a source I often use for the international coverage that is sadly lacking in much American news media.

The New Yorker is, for me, an essential regular read.

I won't say that I don't watch cable news networks, but their biases are laughably transparent. Fox is a shit show that I'll watch in short bursts just to raise my blood pressure. CNN and MSNBC are both more factually grounded on their wearying, endless obsession with Trump than Fox could ever hope to be, but their myopia frustrates me. Yes, possible connections between Trump and his people and the Russian government is a really big deal (and I'm hooked), but -- Jesus Fucking Christ, people! -- there are other important things happening in the world. Cover them!
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