Intercessory prayer is pointless

[Bucky Ball]

Oops : "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Two things.. What did Jesus say he came here to do (the part of the quote you left out) and What did Jesus say on the cross just before he died?

I came here to finish or full fill the law/was the part you left out and (depends on translation)  It is finished.. or it has been fulfilled. was his lasts words on the cross.

Now does this take the whole law away from everyone? no it still applies to the same people it always applied to.. OT Jews. Or people seeking righteousness through the law (moral people/pop morality douche bags who thik they can be good 'enough'.) as the OT Jews sought which means everyone! but those who seek atonement/as faith in Christ...

Otherwise what was the point of Christ if he were to come here die just to continue the old covenant? If that were the case, then that means the gentiles are screwed as they have no 'in to being born into the chosen' and the jews would have to live as they always have always lived. (which jews today don't even live like ot jews. so everyone is screwed.)

That or you are missing something in your exegesis of this passage.
Such as:

Heaven (LOL) and Earth are still here, and everything is NOT "accomplished", therefore EVERYTHING in the "law" is still required.
As usual Christians cherry-pick the verses they want to cherry-pick.

read it again sport it says: "not one jot shall change till it is finished or full filled." what did Jesus say his mission here was? (the part you cut out of your quotation of this passage) It says "I did not come here to destroy the law" but to what?!?!? "but to Full fill the law"

so again... what did he do on the cross ?? He full filled the law so "one jot could be changed." How do we know this? IT WAS HIS FINAL WORDS!!!

What jot? Ask yourself where does fulfillment of the explained? Romans 10 goes well into detail explain how and what it means the law was full filled but to sum it up in a sentence romans 10:4 says it all:
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

But here's the thing you and guys who quote this passage wishing we were all still OT jews don't get... Read verse 4 again.. The law end... FOR those who BELIEVE do you understand? the law remains and for those who do not believe (you and people like you) IT IS YOU WHOM THE LAW REMAINS TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR. So you may be judged by it.. However For those who believe.. it is our faith in Christ that saves us. (again all explain in great detail in Romans 10)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

PAUL himself said Christians were STILL under the (old) law.
1 Corinthians 14:34  "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says."

this is a lie. nowhere in that passage does it say we are under the old law. PAul is setting rules for the worship service, and lot of new things because of how the Spirit changes the dynamic of worship.. however for the women it is as it always was... that is all this passage is saying. the woman's role in worship is the same as it was under the law. men roles changed because so many were blathering about in tongues and Paul is trying to regulate guys who have this gift from morons pretending. he says in the chapter several time he wants worship to be orderly, we can do tongues if...

Jesus also told the young man in Matthew, he had to "keep (all) the commandments",

because the young man asked him a completely different question you dishonest pig.

17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

He asked 'what HE MUST DO' it is the same thing YOU MUST DO being a non christian.. You have to live perfectly by the law... He supposedly did, However this was not enough for the boy he wanted to be perfect. Christ said sell everything and follow him.. why? because if he had he would have followed as a disciple who all later found out that through atonement we do become perfect before God. apart from the law. He wanted to be perfect... no way through the law to be perfect, but through faith and atonement perfection is given/not earned lest no man should boast.

(not just 2). Sounds like your Jebus can't make up his mind, (or perhaps the people who made up the story of Jebus couldn't keep their story straight).

My quote comes from the disciples asking which laws were the most important and Christ wraps up all law ito just two the christian must follow.

For honest open minded people they would see, Two different question two different answers.. for the closed minded douche who thinks he knows more about the bible than he really does, everyone is wrong except him, because he tried to contact god and got nothing in return.. meaning if there was a God surly he would meet him 1/2 way... so that must make you a bible expert, because you read a few passages and have a few opinions..

Drich, you really need to take Bible 101. You are incompetent to say anything about the Bible.
You can't even write a sentence in correct English. Can't Jebus send someone who can spell ?
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NT 101 the disciples/apostles/ Father's of the church... were all common laborers/fishermen and most of them could not read or write. Most of them used scribes. Paul who could, but rarly wrote his own letters. Moses had a speech impediment, Jesus Himself came as a below status commoner.. which is one of the reason why the upper echelon never accepted him.

or better put:
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

God uses foolish people like me so when you stop and actually look at what is being said you know the origins of this or any profound message is not of the messenger but of the one who sent the messenger.

the message here is not mine it is the lords. which is why it leaves your pitiful but correctly spelled observations emasculated and appearing to be lacking in the basic knowledge of the bible you where in fact lording over me.

because truly what is ore pittful.. someone on point and correct in everything he says, but misspelled *3 words.. or someone who has great spelling and grammar but has a very little understanding of the basic subject matter?

Who is the person you entrust to drive your family? Some douche fresh out of class who knows the rules of the road, or the professional driver who knows how to drive any vehicle at any speed or road condition??

#1 You are incompetent to comment on anyone's interpretation of anything. You are an authority on nothing.
#2 Your analogies suck. They are always false and inappropriate.
#3 Are heaven and earth still here ? Yes. My point stands.
#4 Paul himself invokes "the law" when it was convenient to tell women to shut up. The point stands. HE told his people they were STILL under the law.

I understand FAR more about your cult than you ever will, sport.
You have not a shred of evidence that your Jebus ever said anything, ever was on a cross, that the ideas are "the lords". (It should have been spelled "Lord", you dunce).
The gods don't send anyone. Delusional neurotic people with no other expertise, (not unlike yourself) appoint yourself to preach, because you think you have a skill that you don't. You are suffering from Dunning Krueger syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect


"NT 101 the disciples/apostles/ Father's of the church... were all common laborers/fishermen and most of them could not read or write. Most of them used scribes. Paul who could, but rarly wrote his own letters. Moses had a speech impediment, Jesus Himself came as a below status commoner.. which is one of the reason why the upper echelon never accepted him."

And yet you people claim they all became miraculously world-travelers and writers and preachers of great renown ..... LMAO

BTW, "it is finished" (singular) ... in NO way has the same meaning as, or could even remotely be interpreted as "all things are accomplished". Doh.
Do try a bit harder next time, sport.

[Drich]

#1 You are incompetent to comment on anyone's interpretation of anything. You are an authority on nothing.

your one of those lazy intellects who moronically/john stewartly thinks if you can discredit the messenger, somehow or for some reason you do not have to address the points of the message.. Hey RETARD Wake up this is not high school or some lazy ass west coast university, in real life real adults talk via speaking points... if my talking points fail then, do me, like I do you! show EVERYONE line by line (like I am doing now) how stupid you are by providing reference material that without a doubt proves your opponent wrong! or you can just keep calling me names ad hom names and high fiving yourself. while I tear you little thoughts to pieces in front of your peers.

#2 Your analogies suck. They are always false and inappropriate.

why because they do not leave you any room to make a counter point? If they sucked it should be very easy to disassemble them and make me look the fool.

#3 Are heaven and earth still here ? Yes. My point stands.

Hey dumb fuck, Read Roman 10 again I even high lighted the crucial part for yu and you still missed it!!!
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. You are right heaven and earth are here so the law still applies! but here is where you fail.. the law is not for everyone who believes, as romans 4 says but for everyone else... That means you dumb ass! the law applies to you, not me.. for me as per Romans 4 Christ nullified the law as MY means to righteousness. meaning I do not have to follow the law to find my righteousness/key to heaven as Christ and my faith in him is that KEY! but for those who don't believe in Christ.. It is the law that remains that your 'righteousness'/morality will be judge by!!!

Do you get it moron? The law has changed just a jot.. in that for believers we are not judged by the law! but because heaven and earth are still here the rest of you are judged by the law, meaning it remains for you. not only that but the law also applies to thought now as well! So good luck with all your 'pop morality.'

#4 Paul himself invokes "the law" when it was convenient to tell women to shut up. The point stands. HE told his people they were STILL under the law.

LIAR! Paul again is cutting new rules for the church due to the injection of the Holy Spirit, church service has become unruly. after giving the men the new rules paul simply states women's roles is as it was under the law. Context context context! has put an end to your cherry picking theology.

I understand FAR more about your cult than you ever will, sport.

the show me something smart guy... don't just say paul invokes the law and cut 1/2 a sentence out of a paragraph! show me contextual break out the lexicon show me some truth and stop propping yourself up with pomp and circumstance! SHOW ME!!! Not 1/2 a sentence but contextually!!! So I can break down your pitiful exegesis and force feed it back to you!

You have not a shred of evidence that your Jebus ever said anything, ever was on a cross, that the ideas are "the lords". (It should have been spelled "Lord", you dunce).

What an empty minded fool you are.. are you trying to argue the marvel universe and then take the marvel movies off the tables as canonical sources?!?!? are you so stupid as to not understand that once you use the bible to frame out an objection then the bible becomes an open source to use to counter your arguement?!?! Riddle me this little one, are you part of ANTIFA? where all you think you need do is call someone a bad name and thy will go away? grow up! if you want to play with the big boys you will have to start using that little bean of yours alot more than you have in the past.. these 1990 atheistic BS tactics of defaulting to "no evidence" will not work today. Especially when you yourself hypocritically use the bible to frame out your own counter points!!! SFI

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The gods don't send anyone. {/quote] here you are right... but so was I, as I never said God sends someone! I said GOD SHOWS UP! That my small minded pupil is why Christ died on the cross. So that (act 2:38) the holy Spirit can interact with us directly. who is the holy Spirit? it is a measure of God Himself. which mean we have direct contact with God. this happens on the scale of billions of people the world around for thousands upon thousands of years literally! and you and your little sorry band of misfits thinks they have a lock on how the world works? you are nothing but a little emo girl who is rebelling because her version of god did not buy her a pony! get over yourself little douche!! Stop making BS excusses like they will have any bearing on your judgement day. I can see through your BS how much more can God see through it? do you think Him stupid? then why take the time to make excuses for yourself and what you do and don't believe.

Real atheist don't sit on message boards and argue what they don't believe in. fence sitters and misotheist do! figure out what you are before you claim to know who or what I am much less pretend to know anything about God!
emo..

[Dr H]

What did Jesus say on the cross just before he died?

"<gasp> . . . Peter . . . I can see your house from here..."

[Bucky Ball]

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#1 You are incompetent to comment on anyone's interpretation of anything. You are an authority on nothing.

your one of those lazy intellects who moronically/john stewartly thinks if you can discredit the messenger, somehow or for some reason you do not have to address the points of the message.. Hey RETARD Wake up this is not high school or some lazy ass west coast university, in real life real adults talk via speaking points... if my talking points fail then, do me, like I do you! show EVERYONE line by line (like I am doing now) how stupid you are by providing reference material that without a doubt proves your opponent wrong! or you can just keep calling me names ad hom names and high fiving yourself. while I tear you little thoughts to pieces in front of your peers.

#2 Your analogies suck. They are always false and inappropriate.

why because they do not leave you any room to make a counter point? If they sucked it should be very easy to disassemble them and make me look the fool.

#3 Are heaven and earth still here ? Yes. My point stands.

Hey dumb fuck, Read Roman 10 again I even high lighted the crucial part for yu and you still missed it!!!
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. You are right heaven and earth are here so the law still applies! but here is where you fail.. the law is not for everyone who believes, as romans 4 says but for everyone else... That means you dumb ass! the law applies to you, not me.. for me as per Romans 4 Christ nullified the law as MY means to righteousness. meaning I do not have to follow the law to find my righteousness/key to heaven as Christ and my faith in him is that KEY! but for those who don't believe in Christ.. It is the law that remains that your 'righteousness'/morality will be judge by!!!

Do you get it moron? The law has changed just a jot.. in that for believers we are not judged by the law! but because heaven and earth are still here the rest of you are judged by the law, meaning it remains for you. not only that but the law also applies to thought now as well! So good luck with all your 'pop morality.'

#4 Paul himself invokes "the law" when it was convenient to tell women to shut up. The point stands. HE told his people they were STILL under the law.

LIAR! Paul again is cutting new rules for the church due to the injection of the Holy Spirit, church service has become unruly. after giving the men the new rules paul simply states women's roles is as it was under the law. Context context context! has  put an end to your cherry picking theology.

I understand FAR more about your cult than you ever will, sport.

the show me something smart guy... don't just say paul invokes the law and cut 1/2 a sentence out of a paragraph! show me contextual break out the lexicon show me some truth and stop propping yourself up with pomp and circumstance! SHOW ME!!! Not 1/2 a sentence but contextually!!! So I can break down your pitiful exegesis and force feed it back to you!

You have not a shred of evidence that your Jebus ever said anything, ever was on a cross, that the ideas are "the lords". (It should have been spelled "Lord", you dunce).

What an empty minded fool you are.. are you trying to argue the marvel universe and then take the marvel movies off the tables as canonical sources?!?!? are you so stupid as to not understand that once you use the bible to frame out an objection then the bible becomes an open source to use to counter your arguement?!?! Riddle me this little one, are you part of ANTIFA? where all you think you need do is call someone a bad name and thy will go away? grow up! if you want to play with the big boys you will have to start using that little bean of yours alot more than you have in the past.. these 1990 atheistic BS tactics of defaulting to "no evidence" will not work today. Especially when you yourself hypocritically use the bible to frame out your own counter points!!! SFI

The gods don't send anyone. {/quote] here you are right... but so was I, as I never said God sends someone! I said GOD SHOWS UP! That my small minded pupil is why Christ died on the cross. So that (act 2:38) the holy Spirit can interact with us directly. who is the holy Spirit? it is a measure of God Himself. which mean we have direct contact with God. this happens on the scale of billions of people the world around for thousands upon thousands of years literally! and you and your little sorry band of misfits thinks they have a lock on how the world works? you are nothing but a little emo girl who is rebelling because her version of god did not buy her a pony! get over yourself little douche!! Stop making BS excusses like they will have any bearing on your judgement day. I can see through your BS how much more can God see through it? do you think Him stupid? then why take the time to make excuses for yourself and what you do and don't believe.

Real atheist don't sit on message boards and argue what they don't believe in. fence sitters and misotheist do! figure out what you are before you claim to know who or what I am much less pretend to know anything about God!
emo..

"Lazy-ass West Coast University" ... really. You couldn't GET IN to Cal-Tech if you tried. You are SO incredibly ignorant you "might" not even be accepted at Biola .. even though they take anyone,

It's actually not up to you to decide who is a "real" atheist (the plural of "atheist" is "atheists" ... a common mistake of the illiterate and uneducated, and those who can't spell.)
Ah yes .... back to the hermeneutic of insult. Did Jesus ever do that ? You really LOVE playing snarky old church-lady don't you ? LOL
You are no Christian ... you tell yourself you are, .... in fact you are not at all Christ-like. 
Do you qualify for the "By their love you will know them ?" (John 13:35) LMAO .... um no. You're nothing but an un-Christian (ignorant fundy) judgmental jerk who fancies himself a preacher doing his imaginary friend's work.

For many decades, (perhaps centuries) the early Christians were still Jews. They were in no way freed from anything. They STILL went to synagogue until at least 100 CE, (the Jewish High Priest demanded the Expulsion Curses be read. The Christians were STILL coming, and causing trouble, it seems.  
http://lawrenceschiffman.com/the-benedic...the-minim/
In his Christmas sermon (400 CE) (St.) John Chrysostom told HIS congregation (Constantinople) to STOP going to synagogue.  
So yeah, .... the traditional BS of Christians were "free" from the old law, is nothing but bullshit. 

There is not one shred of evidence that prayer works. There is evidence that heart attack victims who are prayed for actually do worse.
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/healt...rayer.html
It's moronic. if god has a plan, then prayer intends to screw it up. If a god is actually in charge, then it is doing what it wants ... innocent babies getting cancer etc etc.
Drich can spew this religious BS all he wants. He has NEVER once had a convert here. He's wasting his time, as he has nothing constructive to do.

[KevinM1]

Uh... do you realize you just wrote a scathing retort against yourself?

[Joods]

Those quote tags are messed up.

[Bucky Ball]

#1 You are incompetent to comment on anyone's interpretation of anything. You are an authority on nothing.

your one of those lazy intellects who moronically/john stewartly thinks if you can discredit the messenger, somehow or for some reason you do not have to address the points of the message.. Hey RETARD Wake up this is not high school or some lazy ass west coast university, in real life real adults talk via speaking points... if my talking points fail then, do me, like I do you! show EVERYONE line by line (like I am doing now) how stupid you are by providing reference material that without a doubt proves your opponent wrong! or you can just keep calling me names ad hom names and high fiving yourself. while I tear you little thoughts to pieces in front of your peers.

#2 Your analogies suck. They are always false and inappropriate.

why because they do not leave you any room to make a counter point? If they sucked it should be very easy to disassemble them and make me look the fool.

#3 Are heaven and earth still here ? Yes. My point stands.

Hey dumb fuck, Read Roman 10 again I even high lighted the crucial part for yu and you still missed it!!!
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. You are right heaven and earth are here so the law still applies! but here is where you fail.. the law is not for everyone who believes, as romans 4 says but for everyone else... That means you dumb ass! the law applies to you, not me.. for me as per Romans 4 Christ nullified the law as MY means to righteousness. meaning I do not have to follow the law to find my righteousness/key to heaven as Christ and my faith in him is that KEY! but for those who don't believe in Christ.. It is the law that remains that your 'righteousness'/morality will be judge by!!!

Do you get it moron? The law has changed just a jot.. in that for believers we are not judged by the law! but because heaven and earth are still here the rest of you are judged by the law, meaning it remains for you. not only that but the law also applies to thought now as well! So good luck with all your 'pop morality.'

#4 Paul himself invokes "the law" when it was convenient to tell women to shut up. The point stands. HE told his people they were STILL under the law.

LIAR! Paul again is cutting new rules for the church due to the injection of the Holy Spirit, church service has become unruly. after giving the men the new rules paul simply states women's roles is as it was under the law. Context context context! has  put an end to your cherry picking theology.

I understand FAR more about your cult than you ever will, sport.

the show me something smart guy... don't just say paul invokes the law and cut 1/2 a sentence out of a paragraph! show me contextual break out the lexicon show me some truth and stop propping yourself up with pomp and circumstance! SHOW ME!!! Not 1/2 a sentence but contextually!!! So I can break down your pitiful exegesis and force feed it back to you!

You have not a shred of evidence that your Jebus ever said anything, ever was on a cross, that the ideas are "the lords". (It should have been spelled "Lord", you dunce).

What an empty minded fool you are.. are you trying to argue the marvel universe and then take the marvel movies off the tables as canonical sources?!?!? are you so stupid as to not understand that once you use the bible to frame out an objection then the bible becomes an open source to use to counter your arguement?!?! Riddle me this little one, are you part of ANTIFA? where all you think you need do is call someone a bad name and thy will go away? grow up! if you want to play with the big boys you will have to start using that little bean of yours alot more than you have in the past.. these 1990 atheistic BS tactics of defaulting to "no evidence" will not work today. Especially when you yourself hypocritically use the bible to frame out your own counter points!!! SFI

The gods don't send anyone. {/quote] here you are right... but so was I, as I never said God sends someone! I said GOD SHOWS UP! That my small minded pupil is why Christ died on the cross. So that (act 2:38) the holy Spirit can interact with us directly. who is the holy Spirit? it is a measure of God Himself. which mean we have direct contact with God. this happens on the scale of billions of people the world around for thousands upon thousands of years literally! and you and your little sorry band of misfits thinks they have a lock on how the world works? you are nothing but a little emo girl who is rebelling because her version of god did not buy her a pony! get over yourself little douche!! Stop making BS excusses like they will have any bearing on your judgement day. I can see through your BS how much more can God see through it? do you think Him stupid? then why take the time to make excuses for yourself and what you do and don't believe.

Real atheist don't sit on message boards and argue what they don't believe in. fence sitters and misotheist do! figure out what you are before you claim to know who or what I am much less pretend to know anything about God!
emo..

 
Fixed (I hope) :
 
"Lazy-ass West Coast University" ... really. You couldn't GET IN to Cal-Tech if you tried. You are SO incredibly ignorant you "might" not even be accepted at Biola .. even though they take anyone, 

It's actually not up to you to decide who is a "real" atheist (the plural of "atheist" is "atheists" ... a common mistake of the illiterate and uneducated, and those who can't spell.)
Ah yes .... back to the hermeneutic of insult. Did Jesus ever do that ? You really LOVE playing snarky old church-lady don't you ? LOL
You are no Christian ... you tell yourself you are, .... in fact you are not at all Christ-like. 
Do you qualify for the "By their love you will know them ?" (John 13:35) LMAO .... um no. You're nothing but an un-Christian (ignorant fundy) judgmental jerk who fancies himself a preacher doing his imaginary friend's work.

For many decades, (perhaps centuries) the early Christians were still Jews. They were in no way freed from anything. They STILL went to synagogue until at least 100 CE, (the Jewish High Priest demanded the Expulsion Curses be read. The Christians were STILL coming, and causing trouble, it seems.  
http://lawrenceschiffman.com/the-benedic...the-minim/
In his Christmas sermon (400 CE) (St.) John Chrysostom told HIS congregation (Constantinople) to STOP going to synagogue.  
So yeah, .... the traditional BS of Christians were "free" from the old law, is nothing but bullshit. 

There is not one shred of evidence that prayer works. There is evidence that heart attack victims who are prayed for actually do worse. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/healt...rayer.html
It's moronic. if god has a plan, then prayer intends to screw it up. If a god is actually in charge, then it is doing what it wants ... innocent babies getting cancer etc etc. 
Drich can spew this religious BS all he wants. He has NEVER once had a convert here. He's wasting his time, as he has nothing constructive to do.

[Minimalist]

[Drich]

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"Lazy-ass West Coast University" ... really. You couldn't GET IN to Cal-Tech if you tried. You are SO incredibly ignorant you "might" not even be accepted at Biola .. even though they take anyone,

1... I was think more along the lines of everyone gets a trophy berkley because that is the type of diploma mill that fosters the term 'free thought' but demands everyone to think the same way.. IE attack the messenger and you don't have to concern yourself with the message.. when that doesn't work get violent.

And I would not go there for anything.

It's actually not up to you to decide who is a "real" atheist (the plural of "atheist" is "atheists" ... a common mistake of the illiterate and uneducated, and those who can't spell.)

why would i speak about atheists when I am addressing you and your specific failures and shortcomings? do you honestly believe that your failures as an individual translate to all who believe as you do? granted you all share some common thoughts but, yours is a failure of intellectual capacity and a close mind to what you think you know.. while most share a close mind to what they think they know most of your peers and nd do understand the basics of Christianity...
..But that was a beautifully spelled retort, failed intellect aside, you can spell which i guess in your circles that is all that matters....

Ah yes .... back to the hermeneutic of insult. Did Jesus ever do that ?

YES YOU F-ING MORON!!! That is what got Him Killed!!! He kept insulting and show up the Religious elite! Every chance he got he'd see their little traps and answer them in a way to make them seem like a fool for asking. then he started out right calling them names like blind guides snakes wolves telling people that they knew nothing of God ect.. why? for the same reason I blast you. They misrepresent God for their own gain. They did it to make money you cast God in a negative light so you can live in your own squaller. Matter of fact here is a whole chpater dedicated to a single rant Jesus had calling pharisees bad names!
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...rsion=NKJV

Jesus basically Damned them.. God.. Damned these men and they were furious.. They saw themselves as being above everyone else just one rung below God and this man who said he was the son of God basically said they were garbage in front of their whole little world.

Not only that Jesus was very hard on his disciples... Jesus changed simon's name to "peter" or petra which inthe greek mean unstable can't count on.most think it means rock or foundation, not the case that word is petros petra is small unstable loose soil.

Now look at all you didn't know about Jesus as the bible describes him.. yet you claim to be in a position to determine with out a doubt there is no God. what a joke.. at best all you can say is your version of God the holier than thou jesus and the god who sees petition and pray as the same does not exist.

You really LOVE playing snarky old church-lady don't you ? LOL
You are no Christian ... you tell yourself you are, .... in fact you are not at all Christ-like. 

again your version of Christ does not exist. that is the only thing you can proove yet you expect me to follow you failed example?!?!

Do you qualify for the "By their love you will know them ?" (John 13:35) LMAO .... um no. You're nothing but an un-Christian (ignorant fundy) judgmental jerk who fancies himself a preacher doing his imaginary friend's work.

I bet the pharisees did not feel love when Jesus down dressed them in front of their whole world. In truth love is what put him there correcting or showing them the truth despite their 'feelings' on how they wanted to be loved. That's the key.. it's not about showing people the love they want but loving them enough to show and stick with the truth!

For many decades, (perhaps centuries) the early Christians were still Jews. They were in no way freed from anything. They STILL went to synagogue until at least 100 CE, (the Jewish High Priest demanded the Expulsion Curses be read. The Christians were STILL coming, and causing trouble, it seems.  

Ah... no. From the beginning there were two primary sects of Christianity. Peter lead one who were primarily converted Jews and what's more converted people to judaism before they could be baptized into christianity (meaning the men were circumcised) and then there was Paul, who's efforts was to put Judaism aside and treat Christianity separately. Subsequently the bible we have is modeled after Paul's works not peters from the 3rd century forward. even the teaching Paul favored that we should not be circumcised takes precedence from the first century forward. Meaning there was a Jewish church for the first of second generation but ultimately the gentile church PAul's church is what we have now.

http://lawrenceschiffman.com/the-benedic...the-minim/
In his Christmas sermon (400 CE) (St.) John Chrysostom told HIS congregation (Constantinople) to STOP going to synagogue.  
So yeah, .... the traditional BS of Christians were "free" from the old law, is nothing but bullshit. 

ah, no again. the Jews Peter's church was deep into the law which again is not the model of the church that survived. And Again we have so much freedom in the law we can bind ourselves to the law. meaning we are so free if we think we need to live under the law we are free enough to do so. there are miles of scripture to support this idea not only that but examples such as meat offer to idols if one man thinks it a sin to eat offere to an idol then for him it is wrong and for the sake of the weaker brother you also should not eat meat offer to an idol so he may not be tempted and sin in his own mind.

Just because we have freedom doesn't mean we have to live free. look at the catholic church it is full of self governing rules, because that is what those people need in their minds to worship God. How ever in the bible there are examples after examples of casting off the law as our means to righteousness.

There is not one shred of evidence that prayer works.

what are you talking about prayer works 100% of the time
what you people generally think as prayer is actually petition.

There is evidence that heart attack victims who are prayed for actually do worse.

petition is not prayer praying to get out of a heart attack is petition.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/healt...rayer.html
It's moronic. if god has a plan, then prayer intends to screw it up. If a god is actually in charge, then it is doing what it wants ... innocent babies getting cancer etc etc.  
Drich can spew this religious BS all he wants. He has NEVER once had a convert here. He's wasting his time, as he has nothing constructive to do.

there are 'a few' members who no longer consider themselves 'atheist.' Some still are apart of the website some have moved on. some emailed me for years every single day asking questions and wanting prayers.

That said it is not about converting anyone. it is about sharing the truth. So when you get your sentence you won't have to wonder what if I had only know the truth? would I have responded differently if I was not left to believe God was who I had in mind! That idea of what if made Hell that much worse for me and I wanted a chance to take that question out of the minds of as many as I could.

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Every time I check this forum I see this stupid fucking thread. I don’t even believe intercessory is a real word.