My decoversion and back to Islam.

[robvalue]

I’m glad you’ve given things lots of thought, and I hope you continue to do so.

When you tell me you know my beliefs better than I do though, it makes me think you’ve lost touch with any other positions than your own.

[GUBU]

tl;dr, About three years ago MK wasn't circumspect enough about his religious views, the thought police disappeared him for a while and now he loves Big Brother.

[Brian37]

Some moments so people new here can get a gist of how I changed over the years:

Thought Quran was a psychological manipulative weapon on the masses:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-13307.html




Hero training was the way I tried to explain evil with my Deism:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-11042.html


When I thought religion is not worth studying:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-18855.html



This thread really made me recall so much, when I questioned the basis of human value itself:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-15323.html


At a time when I felt like I disbelieved more then I believed:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-18057.html


https://atheistforums.org/thread-29057.html


Doubts with three views:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-28976.html


Logic and heart against one another:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-28845.html


Here is my official conversion to Atheism thread:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-15452.html

I could not find the thread that I actually discussed the argument above in more detail.



I'm showing this to new comers, just don't think I haven't thought things through.

Not only have I reflected, I've written down my reflections and ideas.  The truth is much more apparent simple to me, mainly there is something that ought to be valued most, and it happens to be also that which ought to be valued most in possibility, and it's a necessary being, it's existence is of the highest and greatest type and is necessary and all that which things get their existence from.

The one who sees us exactly as we are and who would not be accounted for by our actions nor have a true way of loving ourselves and others, without.

He is what makes our deeds part of us.

You can disagree, but, please, don't think I haven't thought things through and saw the other side.

I don't care. I currently have someone in my personal life who fell back into Christianity, I still do not care.


Even with that person it still amounts to ignorance, a emotional desire for a sense of belonging to something and a fear of being finite.

The earth was around long before humans and it will be here long after our species goes extinct. There is no forever for the individual or our species in general.

[Mystic]

Anyways, thanks guys for having discussions with me through out the stages, it's highly appreciated.

[onlinebiker]

Guess you never heard the old saying -

Fool me once, shame on you

Fool me twice, shame on me.


....

Or - the GWB version - " won' t get fooled again" 

[Mystic]

This constant testification thing to Atheism, is not gonna work lol, because you guys yourself say the burden of proof is on Theists, so that means you are just constantly testifying based on not seeing whether there are proofs or not.

While being unconvinced can be a fault of the conveyer or the proofs, I believe, in this case, the fault is the receivers, and the constant short non-thinking remarks proves it where as when anyone get's deeply into discussions, they tend to resort after a while to fallacies or won't address one of the mini-proofs for the premises that is disputed or won't address a key question.

So I'm convinced - that your constant denial, is meaningless.

[Fake Messiah]

, they tend to resort after a while to fallacies or won't address one of the mini-proofs for the premises that is disputed or won't address a key question.

Fallacies? Oh, the fallacy of evolution that proves Allah didn't create humans. That's not a fallacy that's just you lacking a proper education.

[Brian37]

Anyways, thanks guys for having discussions with me through out the stages, it's highly appreciated.

MK, I do give you a hard time, but believe me I give EVERY religion a hard time. And not for some goal of thinking all 7 billion of us will suddenly stop believing. If you want to show us appreciation here, at a minimum, stop making the romantic arguments. 

We get that you believe. I get that Catholic Lady believes. I get that RoadRunner believes. I get it. 

But try to make an argument without being dreamy eyed. 

I am not going to have Muslims murdered, or Christians murdered, or Jews murdered or Hindus or Buddhists murdered. I am simply the guy on the outside of all of that trying to get my fellow humans to consider that our ability to be cruel or compassionate as a species isn't some bet between a sky wizard or ground troll, nor are we poker chips in a cosmic poker game.

It isn't going to hurt you, or Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists to consider that our morality is in us, in our DNA, not old mythology.

[Abaddon_ire]

This constant testification thing to Atheism, is not gonna work lol, because you guys yourself say the burden of proof is on Theists, so that means you are just constantly testifying based on not seeing whether there are proofs or not.

That is so comprehensively wrong it is actually scary. That puts you among the 19 terror bombers.

While being unconvinced can be a fault of the conveyer or the proofs, I believe, in this case, the fault is the receivers, and the constant short non-thinking remarks proves it where as when anyone get's deeply into discussions, they tend to resort after a while to fallacies or won't address one of the mini-proofs for the premises that is disputed or won't address a key question.

So I'm convinced - that your constant denial, is meaningless.

"mini=proofs" so no actual proofs? Are you even listening to your own thoughts? Do you not realise that you have admitted that the macro proofs don't work and you have to descend to base quibbling over mere details?

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Anyways, thanks guys for having discussions with me through out the stages, it's highly appreciated.

Running away again?

[Mystic]

For premises like we have an exact value, I argued for it a lot from different angles and different proofs for it, a lot of proofs for it. So there is the argument all together and then when a premise is disputed, I provided proof for the premise.