Atheist Bible Study 1: Genesis

[Drich]

chapter 15 Now consider you were just in a war/battle and you took out one of 3 countries armies but only as they slept, and you took a loss. mind you only had 318 to begin with and now there are less, and you didn't take slaves or money because you just wanted the safe return of your brother. now you are home and even if you know God will do something you don't know what, mean while those who don't know God as well may have 1000 concerns of their own. This is where we find abraham at the beginning of 15.
Abraham at home probably still sore from battle recounting some close calls or mabe think on death for those whom he killed had him thinking of his own family and what would happen when he died. The The Word/Proper name for the disembodied Jesus Christ as in John 1:1 "The word of God" came to Abraham and told him not o worry he would protect him and his people, and give him a great reward for fighting honorably. Then the melancholy of winning sets in when he realizes it is all for nothing because if he dies all of his belongings would go to his 1st slave. He needed a heir he needed a son. So God took Him outside and showed him the stars and promised his descendants would match their number (uncountable) Abraham believed him and God promised this and this land, abraham wanting assurance ask God to consecrate this deal so God had abraham bring a 3 year old cow, a three-year-old goat, a three-year-old ram, a dove, and a young pigeon.” and sacrificed them to God. This sealed the deal. God promised the land and the nation of descendants.. He also ran down the whole deal with the descendants being captive for 400 years to the egyptians and told of their exodus and return to this land. But also told him this would be a long ways off not to worry about because he would live a long long time and all of this would happen long after he passed.

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Yeah the two of them meet at you moms house every thursday night to give her a toss..

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close..

"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
John 13:35

You still have not explained why your approach is CB (Christian Bullying) ?
Oh wait .... clearly your not one.

Never mind.

stop being a leftist pussy. you want to break balls let's break balls.. you want to be friend lets be friends, but don't be a hypocrite who breaks balls then gets all snow flaked out because I broke your balls a little harder. I'm not the one who told you to come into the ring 1/2 cocked.

why be as mean as you? 1 cor 9: 19 I am free. I belong to no other person, but I make myself a slave to everyone. I do this to help save as many people as I can. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew so that I could help save Jews. I myself am not ruled by the law, but to those who are ruled by the law I became like someone who is ruled by the law. I did this to help save those who are ruled by the law. 21 To those who are without the law I became like someone who is without the law. I did this to help save those who are without the law. (But really, I am not without God’s law—I am ruled by the law of Christ.) 22 To those who are weak, I became weak so that I could help save them. I have become all things to all people. I did this so that I could save people in any way possible. 23 I do all this to make the Good News known. I do it so that I can share in the blessings of the Good News.

and I too am under the law of Christ... Ask yourself again how did Jesus treat those who opposed him? how respectful was Jesus to the pharisees and sadducees the scribes of the temple and the makers of the laws? Jesus wrecked them daily to the point the tried to stone him several times and ultimately had him killed on the cross for brutally humiliating them and not respecting their little pecking order.

You are sport are a pharisee a hypocrite a person only interested in saying whatever you think it takes to silence me or discredit what it is I have to say... Jesus showed us and Paul followed suit that there is no limits on how I/we can treat people who are intentional obstacles in spreading the good news.

Even in corth 9 the bit above what I posted Paul goes into depth about how he offended people and how it landed him in prision even as a citizen of Rome who should have had the right to say what he wanted to that person.

Nothing new really... What seems new only seems that way only to dummies who think Jesus was some limp bisket hippy who always backed off when confronted. they forget the jesus who so enraged the religious leadershi they killed him without cause. they forget the jesus who whipped and turned over tables in the temple they forget the jesus who blasted the high up muckety mucks who though themselves to be close to God. Jesus called them devils which was never done without God. Jesus undermined the whole of jewish soceity looking to change everything, and alot of butts were really hurt over that fact!

[Bucky Ball]

chapter 15 Now consider you were just in a war/battle and you took out one of 3 countries armies but only as they slept, and you took a loss. mind you only had 318 to begin with and now there are less, and you didn't take slaves or money because you just wanted the safe return of your brother. now you are home and even if you know God will do something you don't know what, mean while those who don't know God as well may have 1000 concerns of their own. This is where we find abraham at the beginning of 15.
Abraham at home probably still sore from battle recounting some close calls or mabe think on death for those whom he killed had him thinking of his own family and what would happen when he died. The The Word/Proper name for the disembodied Jesus Christ as in John 1:1 "The word of God" came to Abraham and told him not o worry he would protect him and his people, and give him a great reward for fighting honorably. Then the melancholy of winning sets in when he realizes it is all for nothing because if he dies all of his belongings would go to his 1st slave. He needed a heir he needed a son. So God took Him outside and showed him the stars and promised his descendants would match their number (uncountable) Abraham believed him and God promised this and this land, abraham wanting assurance ask God to consecrate this deal so God had abraham bring a 3 year old cow, a three-year-old goat, a three-year-old ram, a dove, and a young pigeon.” and sacrificed them to God. This sealed the deal. God promised the land and the nation of descendants.. He also ran down the whole deal with the descendants being captive for 400 years to the egyptians and told of their exodus and return to this land. But also told him this would be a long ways off not to worry about because he would live a long long time and all of this would happen long after he passed.

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"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
John 13:35

You still have not explained why your approach is CB (Christian Bullying) ?
Oh wait .... clearly your not one.

Never mind.

stop being a leftist pussy. you want to break balls let's break balls.. you want to be friend lets be friends, but don't be a hypocrite who breaks balls then gets all snow flaked out because I broke your balls a little harder. I'm not the one who told you to come into the ring 1/2 cocked.

why be as mean as you? 1 cor 9: 19 I am free. I belong to no other person, but I make myself a slave to everyone. I do this to help save as many people as I can. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew so that I could help save Jews. I myself am not ruled by the law, but to those who are ruled by the law I became like someone who is ruled by the law. I did this to help save those who are ruled by the law. 21 To those who are without the law I became like someone who is without the law. I did this to help save those who are without the law. (But really, I am not without God’s law—I am ruled by the law of Christ.) 22 To those who are weak, I became weak so that I could help save them. I have become all things to all people. I did this so that I could save people in any way possible. 23 I do all this to make the Good News known. I do it so that I can share in the blessings of the Good News.

and I too am under the law of Christ... Ask yourself again how did Jesus treat those who opposed him? how respectful was Jesus to the pharisees and sadducees the scribes of the temple and the makers of the laws? Jesus wrecked them daily to the point the tried to stone him several times and ultimately had him killed on the cross for brutally humiliating them and not respecting their little pecking order.

You are sport are a pharisee a hypocrite a person only interested in saying whatever you think it takes to silence me or discredit what it is I have to say... Jesus showed us and Paul followed suit that there is no limits on how I/we can treat people who are intentional obstacles in spreading the good news.

Even in corth 9 the bit above what I posted Paul goes into depth about how he offended people and how it landed him in prision even as a citizen of Rome who should have had the right to say what he wanted to that person.

Nothing new really... What seems new only seems that way only to dummies who think Jesus was some limp bisket hippy who always backed off when confronted. they forget the jesus who so enraged the religious leadershi they killed him without cause. they forget the jesus who whipped and turned over tables in the temple they forget the jesus who blasted the high up muckety mucks who though themselves to be close to God. Jesus called them devils which was never done without God. Jesus undermined the whole of jewish soceity looking to change everything, and alot of butts were really hurt over that fact!

Wrong again.
I don't think Jesus existed ... so your (non-sequitur) assumption of my thinking he was a hippy is fallacious.
Your illogical connection of what someone thinks of Jesus TO YOUR behavior, yet still claiming to be a Christian (which obviously you are not) is the issue.
You are no Christian. Even IF Jesus was no hippy, the gospels say that what characterizes Christians is love.
Your atrocious (ignorant) bullying posts cannot come from a Christian.

[Minimalist]

Your atrocious (ignorant) bullying posts cannot come from a Christian.

Eventually when cornered all of them get down to the level of "my god has a bigger dick than your god."

[Angrboda]

Oh yeah, golfing buddies?  You and god netflix and chill or somethin?

God taught me through Quran and Ahlulbayt (as) after I tried many doors and misleading doors and avenues.  

I see the Gospels to be over all from God. No doubt humans can't write them.

You tried the door labeled "atheism" for two weeks, Mystic. Stop telling stories. You pushed inward on a door that swings outward, met a little resistance, and gave up.

[Drich]

chapter 15 Now consider you were just in a war/battle and you took out one of 3 countries armies but only as they slept, and you took a loss. mind you only had 318 to begin with and now there are less, and you didn't take slaves or money because you just wanted the safe return of your brother. now you are home and even if you know God will do something you don't know what, mean while those who don't know God as well may have 1000 concerns of their own. This is where we find abraham at the beginning of 15.
Abraham at home probably still sore from battle recounting some close calls or mabe think on death for those whom he killed had him thinking of his own family and what would happen when he died. The The Word/Proper name for the disembodied Jesus Christ as in John 1:1 "The word of God" came to Abraham and told him not o worry he would protect him and his people, and give him a great reward for fighting honorably. Then the melancholy of winning sets in when he realizes it is all for nothing because if he dies all of his belongings would go to his 1st slave. He needed a heir he needed a son. So God took Him outside and showed him the stars and promised his descendants would match their number (uncountable) Abraham believed him and God promised this and this land, abraham wanting assurance ask God to consecrate this deal so God had abraham bring a 3 year old cow, a three-year-old goat, a three-year-old ram, a dove, and a young pigeon.” and sacrificed them to God. This sealed the deal. God promised the land and the nation of descendants.. He also ran down the whole deal with the descendants being captive for 400 years to the egyptians and told of their exodus and return to this land. But also told him this would be a long ways off not to worry about because he would live a long long time and all of this would happen long after he passed.

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stop being a leftist pussy. you want to break balls let's break balls.. you want to be friend lets be friends, but don't be a hypocrite who breaks balls then gets all snow flaked out because I broke your balls a little harder. I'm not the one who told you to come into the ring 1/2 cocked.

why be as mean as you? 1 cor 9: 19 I am free. I belong to no other person, but I make myself a slave to everyone. I do this to help save as many people as I can. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew so that I could help save Jews. I myself am not ruled by the law, but to those who are ruled by the law I became like someone who is ruled by the law. I did this to help save those who are ruled by the law. 21 To those who are without the law I became like someone who is without the law. I did this to help save those who are without the law. (But really, I am not without God’s law—I am ruled by the law of Christ.) 22 To those who are weak, I became weak so that I could help save them. I have become all things to all people. I did this so that I could save people in any way possible. 23 I do all this to make the Good News known. I do it so that I can share in the blessings of the Good News.

and I too am under the law of Christ... Ask yourself again how did Jesus treat those who opposed him? how respectful was Jesus to the pharisees and sadducees the scribes of the temple and the makers of the laws? Jesus wrecked them daily to the point the tried to stone him several times and ultimately had him killed on the cross for brutally humiliating them and not respecting their little pecking order.

You are sport are a pharisee a hypocrite a person only interested in saying whatever you think it takes to silence me or discredit what it is I have to say... Jesus showed us and Paul followed suit that there is no limits on how I/we can treat people who are intentional obstacles in spreading the good news.

Even in corth 9 the bit above what I posted Paul goes into depth about how he offended people and how it landed him in prision even as a citizen of Rome who should have had the right to say what he wanted to that person.

Nothing new really... What seems new only seems that way only to dummies who think Jesus was some limp bisket hippy who always backed off when confronted. they forget the jesus who so enraged the religious leadershi they killed him without cause. they forget the jesus who whipped and turned over tables in the temple they forget the jesus who blasted the high up muckety mucks who though themselves to be close to God. Jesus called them devils which was never done without God. Jesus undermined the whole of jewish soceity looking to change everything, and alot of butts were really hurt over that fact!

Wrong again.
I don't think Jesus existed ... so your (non-sequitur) assumption of my thinking he was a hippy is fallacious.

the irony of you telling I am wrong when it is you who has wrongly identified the words of Christ. I quoted Paul moron in 1 corthinians 9. you know Paul the father of the Christian church He is the one who says to the Jew be like a jew, and for the brother under the law be as one under the law even though he is free.. He also said to those without the law he approaches them as being without the law but really is subject to Christ.

That dummy is what I demonstrated. you ask why am I like you? I posted the reason is the bible IE 1 cor 9 tells me I can act like you in an effort to teach you.. kinda like I'm doing right now. This is not a Jesus thing but a Paul authorized by God (so he says earlier in the chapter) Christian church thing.

Your illogical connection of what someone thinks of Jesus TO YOUR behavior, yet still claiming to be a Christian (which obviously you are not) is the issue.

God at the irony..
Have you considered it is you who does not know who Jesus is portrayed as in the bible. Primarily because you deny he ever existed... get it? if you deny he existed you can not have an opinion on his personality. What an f-ing moron you are. you tell me you don't believe in Jesus but me (one who does believe in Christ and has studied Christ for 25+ years) is wrong in my representation of Christ?!?!? That squirt is a non squirter You logic here does not 'follow.'
how can you presume to tell me the nature of a person you say never existed?

You are no Christian. Even IF Jesus was no hippy, the gospels say that what characterizes Christians is love.
Your atrocious (ignorant) bullying posts cannot come from a Christian.

Not love as you understand it dummy! Does your version of love have one being sold into slavery? does you version of love put people wrongly in jail? does your love have one run for his life for years? does your love allow a child to die? Then can we agree the word love here is not the right word? at best it is a seriously loose translation because in the end God knows what is best and will put you in a far better position if you weren't sold as a slave if you weren't wrongly jailed if you didn't have to run for your life...

Do you get it yet? the love God speaks of... it's has nothing to do with how you want to be respected or treated. again and again look at the pharisees.. The saw themselves as you see your self someone important and can manipulate the 'religious' by holding people to your understanding of the 'law.' Jesus spent 1/3 of the gospel trashing these guys. out of agape'/love why? because it broke a few of them down to repent and be saved. He took their pride and hypocrisy and demanded they account for it. 'if you believe xyz then why do you abc.??' those in search of the truth will respond to their own hypocrisy.. those who wish to remain in their evil ways will try and destroy the light. That is what they did and that is what you are doing. You want me to stop showing everyone how foolish your 'logic' is. you want me to stop showing people how much you don't actually know despite claims to the contrary, you want me to stop belittling you. Every bit of which I Have examples of Christ doing the exact same to one of his opponents. but you don't know this christ.. The Christ found in scripture.. no wonder you claim he does not exist because if CB Christ is real and hippy jesus the one you thought was being worship...

The love is here in the fact that I do follow up, that i do answer everything I can find, line by line and even in this thread the fact that I have taken the torch and pledged to finish the genesis bible study. That is what agape looks like here. all without money praise or adoration, but the opposite..

What agape is not, is the bull shit manipulation you are attempting to use to try and gain control over the conversation.. peddel your lack of love bull shit to someone who doesn't know any better. that won't work here. Go find a mormon or a JW to mess with, they will chase your idea of love, because I won't.

You want respect you give respect you are not smart enough to demand it nor take it. Meaning you don't want me to blast you, then back off me. otherwise we can go as long as your pride can hold out, I'm on quite a few ignore lists, with no one on mine.

[Angrboda]

Not really interested in Drich's interpretation of anything.

Just sayin'.

[LadyForCamus]

Not really interested in Drich's interpretation of anything.  

Just sayin'.

I tuned Drich our years ago.  His presence here is nothing more than background noise to me now.  I probably would be more open to engaging him if he didn’t post such enormous text walls.  I just ain’t got time for that. 😛

[Minimalist]

I just figured out how to copy/paste from Kindle.  This opens up Robert Price's Holy Fable to the discussion which doubtlessly will send the theists running for their safe space.

Once we drop the absurd pretense that the Bible is a miraculously inspired, infallible, and inerrant revelation from God, the Bible is no longer an old battle axe wrested from the hands of a threatening barbarian. It ceases to be a weapon and becomes a fascinating artifact, like Beowulf, the Nibelungenlied, and the Iliad.

Pg. 15

Just second-rate old literature.

[Drich]

Not really interested in Drich's interpretation of anything.  

Just sayin'.

I tuned Drich our years ago.  His presence here is nothing more than background noise to me now.  I probably would be more open to engaging him if he didn’t post such enormous text walls.  I just ain’t got time for that. 😛

things like the bible God and the nature of man... if someone can't give a complete, answers all questions answer and keep it under two sentences itain't worth the time..

Gottcha.. looks like I will just cry myself to sleep knowing another one just fell through the cracks... Or maybe another one who doesn't want to go any deeper than the surface crap they use to distance themselves from God.. 

Either Way so long as you are happy with it. I myself Think i can go on living without being called a bigot or liar or having fallacious reasoning by you or jorgie every time I quote or use material that does not agree with your core beliefs.

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I just figured out how to copy/paste from Kindle.  This opens up Robert Price's Holy Fable to the discussion which doubtlessly will send the theists running for their safe space.

Once we drop the absurd pretense that the Bible is a miraculously inspired, infallible, and inerrant revelation from God, the Bible is no longer an old battle axe wrested from the hands of a threatening barbarian. It ceases to be a weapon and becomes a fascinating artifact, like Beowulf, the Nibelungenlied, and the Iliad.

Pg. 15

Just second-rate old literature.

 
Here is where the 'thinker' misses the point..

The bible despite never claiming to be perfect is still a map and the proof of any map is to test to see if it takes you where it is supposed to go. Meaning does the bible set you up to find yourself before God.. yes... That is where the blade of the old battle axe is hidden. not as a rule book not as a source of infallible material but does this book place you before God in this life if you so follow that path laid out. The answer minnie is yes. Yes it still works.

[Angrboda]

I tuned Drich our years ago.  His presence here is nothing more than background noise to me now.  I probably would be more open to engaging him if he didn’t post such enormous text walls.  I just ain’t got time for that. 😛

things like the bible God and the nature of man... if someone can't give a complete, answers all questions answer and keep it under two sentences itain't worth the time..

Gottcha.. looks like I will just cry myself to sleep knowing another one just fell through the cracks... Or maybe another one who doesn't want to go any deeper than the surface crap they use to distance themselves from God.. 

Either Way so long as you are happy with it. I myself Think i can go on living without being called a bigot or liar or having fallacious reasoning by you or jorgie every time I quote or use material that does not agree with your core beliefs.

Drich, the reason I'm not interested in your interpretations is not because I'm not interested in the subject. I am. I'm not personally interested in your interpretations because you're an incompetent moron who has nutball ideas about everything, including the bible. Perhaps even especially the bible. Your beliefs about Genesis make that fact plain, and your incompetence in coming to accurate conclusions about the bible is amply illustrated both by your tohu-bohu misadventure, as well as your repeated demonstration of stupidity and incompetence in general. You are a bibliot with no actual competence, skill, or acumen regarding the bible. I'm not interested in your interpretations because they're worthless and highly likely to be wrong at multiple levels. Just as I wouldn't listen to Dunning-Krugers like Everena lecture me about evolution or God, I'm not likely to have any interest in listening to you, and often for the same reason. You're just another self-important Dunning-Kruger who thinks that he shits gold, when in fact it is things coming out of your ass which is probably the only accurate thing about that description. You're a fucking moron, Drich, on everything, but especially when it comes to the bible.