The Downside of Impeachment

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Do you think Trump's ego would overcome his stubbornness and he might resign so he can to a nixon-esque speech?

Unless it can be pounded into his thick fucking skull that he's going to go to prison, he won't resign.  However, I'm optimistic that the requisite pounding will take place.  As things stand now, Trump stands a fair chance of losing to a Democrat in two years.  If he's indicted, a Democrat is unlikely to pardon him.  His best chance of avoiding prison will be to resign once articles of impeachment are drawn up, but before he's convicted in the Senate (which is looking more and more likely) and to be pardoned by Pence.

And - naturally - much depends on what Mr. Mueller has to say.

Boru

[Brian37]

Do you think Trump's ego would overcome his stubbornness and he might resign so he can to a nixon-esque speech?

Unless it can be pounded into his thick fucking skull that he's going to go to prison, he won't resign.  However, I'm optimistic that the requisite pounding will take place.  As things stand now, Trump stands a fair chance of losing to a Democrat in two years.  If he's indicted, a Democrat is unlikely to pardon him.  His best chance of avoiding prison will be to resign once articles of impeachment are drawn up, but before he's convicted in the Senate (which is looking more and more likely) and to be pardoned by Pence.

And - naturally - much depends on what Mr. Mueller has to say.

Boru

I tend to agree, but I do warn dems not to underestimate him, we did that once already.

I'd say the longer Russia and Mueller stay in the news, the worse of he is with swing states. And this shutdown will not be forgotten either. But even with that dems cant afford to pick a stiff nominee or one with baggage. I hate to say it, as much as I loved Hillary, she didn't translate well and she had lots of baggage.

Outside nailing 45 like Nixon, the only other way he might step down, would be if on or a couple of his children are indicted.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Hell has officially frozen over.  

What are you babbling about?

We agree on something.

[dyresand]

Do you want pence that's how you get pence. I say let Trump be here in office till 2020
i doubt he is going to run for a second term in office. And pence is so universally disliked
that he wouldn't run for president.

[Angrboda]

I dunno. If the ( D ),s have a good candidate - I'd vote for them.


I did President Obama ( 2nd term)

Yep. I good Democratic candidate is what we need to be concentrating on right now. A good one. A strong one. Not just someone who is 'better than Trump'. The lesser of two evils mentality that is so pervasive among the Democratic base is what makes the Democratic base so pathetic. They don't want to win. They're just looking for someone to surrender to.

"Two shall enter. One shall leave."

That applies to the Democratic nomination. It may look like this now:

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But that will likely change long before election time. And once it does, an effective campaign can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Look at Kamala. Marketing is the answer.

The biggest challenge the Democrats face in 2020 is Howard Schultz.

[Yonadav]

Yep. I good Democratic candidate is what we need to be concentrating on right now. A good one. A strong one. Not just someone who is 'better than Trump'. The lesser of two evils mentality that is so pervasive among the Democratic base is what makes the Democratic base so pathetic. They don't want to win. They're just looking for someone to surrender to.

"Two shall enter.  One shall leave."

That applies to the Democratic nomination.  It may look like this now:

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But that will likely change long before election time.  And once it does, an effective campaign can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.  Look at Kamala.  Marketing is the answer.

The biggest challenge the Democrats face in 2020 is Howard Schultz.

Schultz is a dick. He is trying to force the Democratic Party to nominate a centrist 'Republican lite'. He is basically using his billions to frighten the party into nominating a Republican lite candidate, by threatening to run as a spoiler. As I said, the biggest problem with the Democrats is that they are too fear oriented. One fucking billionaire says that he'll run as a centrist spoiler, and the Dems will nominate a centrist to mollify the billionaire. A bunch of frightened Dems who say that want big money out of politics are going to assume the position for a good centrist butt fucking by Big Money.

I see this as a good opportunity to stand our ground. The centrist New Dems are not the strongest faction of the Democratic Party. The largest coalition in the Democratic Party is on the left. We keep letting people who aren't really representative of the Democratic Party lead the Democratic Party because the New Dems keep appealing to fear of the center.

But I think this is the perfect storm for the left to win big time. We can publicly tar and feather Schultz as the poster child for Big Money in Politics, and for being another Trump. We can forever brand the center as being all about Big Money. 

If Schultz doesn't stand down after we run a smear campaign on him for trying to use his money to control the Democratic Party, we will face a three way race in which our only goal will be to prevent Trump from getting 270 electoral votes. If we do that, we win. Heck, we can probably pick up the electoral votes in some states where we maneuver Trump and Schultz into slugging it out with each other. It might be a good time for a three way race, because Dems hold the House.

A centrist spoiler is possibly more of threat to Trump than to the Dems.

[Dr H]

I dunno. If the ( D ),s have a good candidate - I'd vote for them.

If they're going to find one, they'd better get on the damned stick.

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The democrats are weak? HA ha ha ha ha. This is cute.

The democrats have become like a herd of cats batting around a catnip mouse.
I guess that could be considered cute.  It's also disorganized and lame -- ie., weak.

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Hillary got 2,868,686 more votes than Trump and, due to the ridiculous Electoral College system, she lost. The 20th largest margin of difference in popular votes between major party candidates, and she still fucking lost.

That should tell you something.  The people don't get to select the president; the existing power structure selects the president.  Your "choice", really, is Republican, or Republican-lite, and it will be made for you.

Of course, even the existing power structure gets bit on the ass now and then, and ends up with "bat-shit crazy".
But sheer inertia protects most of them from any major fallout, until they install the next edition.

[GUBU]

Reagan???

Anybody who thinks he was a great President thinks Howdy Doodie was a real person.

George HW Bush had his hand up Ronnie's arse, and we never saw his lips move...

Reagan was an ACTOR for crissakes. The Presidency was just another performance.

He had Alzheimer's from before day one of the primaries.

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Yep. I good Democratic candidate is what we need to be concentrating on right now. A good one. A strong one. Not just someone who is 'better than Trump'. The lesser of two evils mentality that is so pervasive among the Democratic base is what makes the Democratic base so pathetic. They don't want to win. They're just looking for someone to surrender to.

"Two shall enter.  One shall leave."

That applies to the Democratic nomination.  It may look like this now:

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But that will likely change long before election time.  And once it does, an effective campaign can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.  Look at Kamala.  Marketing is the answer.

The biggest challenge the Democrats face in 2020 is Howard Schultz.

The only way Schultz is a problem is if he beats Dumbfuck to the republitraitor nomination. As a 3rd party he'll only hurt the republitraitor candidate.

[GODZILLA]

I don't mean to sound rude, but I am so fucking tired of this! Pence would obviously be better than Trump in a million ways! Pence has some questionable beliefs, but at least under him he'd just be like another Bush. He's a sane human being, unlike Trump. Not saying I agree with his beliefs but still.