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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 1:58 am
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 2:09 am
(March 6, 2019 at 10:36 pm)Natachan Wrote: That’s kinda interesting and something I thought might be the answer. But it goes against the theology I was taught. When I studied theology the priest told us that the reason god came down as Jesus was so he could live and die as a man. He referred back to genesis where it talks of god walking with Adam, so god had a body and could walk with man but was not human. So when god came down as Jesus he was a man. He lived as a man, he died as a man.
(Off topic, but this is why it always made sense to me that Jesus was married. After all, if he’s going to live as a man god has to experience life AS a man.)
So while it would make logical (sorta) sense for him not to be human, it wouldn’t necessarily make theological sense. Thus the dying and decomposing question still remains.
If you ever studied theology you either had a terrible teacher who doesn't know squat about what the scriptures teach or you never listened and put together a story from the small amount that you did hear. The things you have posted above are totally untrue and unfounded according to the scriptures, it's no wonder you haven't found a reason to believe.
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 10:19 am
I don't believe he decomposed. His flesh died, prior to the resurrection. Typically, the soul (breath) was abandoned “to Sheol,” and the body saw corruption or decayed when someone died.
It's not explicit what happened to his body, other than it wasn't there after 3 days. Maybe it was eaten or decayed faster than 3 days, maybe it was burnt up, or spirited away by angels, no one really knows or cares. He gave his flesh for the life of the world and when he appeared after the resurrection, didn't need that flesh anymore.
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 11:24 am
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(March 7, 2019 at 2:09 am)Godscreated Wrote: (March 6, 2019 at 10:36 pm)Natachan Wrote: That’s kinda interesting and something I thought might be the answer. But it goes against the theology I was taught. When I studied theology the priest told us that the reason god came down as Jesus was so he could live and die as a man. He referred back to genesis where it talks of god walking with Adam, so god had a body and could walk with man but was not human. So when god came down as Jesus he was a man. He lived as a man, he died as a man.
(Off topic, but this is why it always made sense to me that Jesus was married. After all, if he’s going to live as a man god has to experience life AS a man.)
So while it would make logical (sorta) sense for him not to be human, it wouldn’t necessarily make theological sense. Thus the dying and decomposing question still remains.
If you ever studied theology you either had a terrible teacher who doesn't know squat about what the scriptures teach or you never listened and put together a story from the small amount that you did hear. The things you have posted above are totally untrue and unfounded according to the scriptures, it's no wonder you haven't found a reason to believe.
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It’s wonderful how you assume my reasons for disbelief. So, spoilers, this had nothing to do with my disbelief and actually propped up my belief for a LONG time after it should have faded. And just because YOUR church doesn’t accept this theology doesn’t mean other Christians don’t.
Sorry, I don’t like people assuming intent. If you’d like to know why I don’t believe, you could ask.
Christian theology is diverse, and if you believe in the non-human Jesus thing proposed I think that’s interesting, but most other Christians would disagree. As stated, it would solve the decomp problem, but it’s not really widely supported. I mean, how do you solve the decomp problem?
(March 7, 2019 at 10:19 am)tackattack Wrote: I don't believe he decomposed. His flesh died, prior to the resurrection. Typically, the soul (breath) was abandoned “to Sheol,” and the body saw corruption or decayed when someone died.
It's not explicit what happened to his body, other than it wasn't there after 3 days. Maybe it was eaten or decayed faster than 3 days, maybe it was burnt up, or spirited away by angels, no one really knows or cares. He gave his flesh for the life of the world and when he appeared after the resurrection, didn't need that flesh anymore.
So it wasn’t a physical human body that rose up? Then what about when Thomas put his fingers in the wound? Was this a “spiritual body” that just resembled the body that died upon the cross?
It’s also part of some church’s cannon that jesus’ body (usually with him in it post resurrection) rose physically into heaven. Do you consider this to be heretical?
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 12:36 pm
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 12:45 pm
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 3:18 pm
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 3:32 pm
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 4:26 pm
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RE: Did Jesus decompose?
March 7, 2019 at 4:33 pm
(March 6, 2019 at 4:57 pm)Natachan Wrote: So, a question for religious people who believe that Jesus died and resurrected.
Within a few minutes of death the brain becomes so damaged as to be incapable of sustaining most higher functions. A few more minutes and it can’t communicate with other parts of the body. A few hours later the neurons that physically contract the muscles will break down. After this the body cannot, through its own power, move or maintain any functions.
The story goes that Jesus was dead for (conservatively) nearly 48 hours. Under normal conditions, even with refrigeration, the brain is now mush and the neurons are now gone. The process of decomposition has progressed to such an extent coming back is impossible. And we’re not talking about best case, this is long enough to start to stink. Hell, at this point insects should have showed up.
So, did Jesus decompose prior to his resurrection? If so, how did he resurrect? If not, why not?
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