Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?

[fredd bear]

It was not the Jews who lied, but the Christians;

It was the Christians who falsely claimed Jesus was the Moshiach (messiah)

They cherry picked and twisted Jewish tradition, to make Jesus fit.

Below, just a few reasons why Jesus could not possibly have been the Messiah.

The Messiah is to be a warrior king like king David ..

He is not divine.

He will not die prematurely.

His coming will usher in a period of world peace.

I only discovered the other day, from Yonadav, is perhaps the greatest crime/sin of the Christians is the claim that Jesus was the son of God, and to worship him. They also called him "Christ" (from"Christos') which means annointed one, IE KING. The Messiah is king, but most certainly not divine.


The Christians began lying outrageously from the very beginning ,and have never stopped..

[chimp3]

It was all nonsense to begin with. No use splitting hairs.

[fredd bear]

It was all nonsense to begin with. No use splitting hairs.

 That's s no fun.

Why do you think we allow Christians on the forum?  

[chimp3]

It was all nonsense to begin with. No use splitting hairs.

 That's s no fun.

Why do you think we allow Christians on the forum?  

So we can split hairs. Call me a hypocrite.

[fredd bear]

 That's s no fun.

Why do you think we allow Christians on the forum?  

So we can split hairs. Call me a hypocrite.

 You got it.  

Why should the believers be the only hypocrites?  

[Vicki Q]

If one drops ideas of biblical inspiration and the like in favour of mining historical data, one can go a little bit beyond mere hair splitting.

The Early Church didn't invent the story from nothing; if you're trying to persuade folk that something very strange has happened, you don't bundle it up with a ready-to-serve alternative explanation. The Xians wouldn't want to put the idea in people's heads that they had stolen the body, unless they had little option but to discuss it.

It seems far more likely that the Jews of Matthew's day actually were using the story as a counter-apologetic. The Xians were making a claim about Jesus' body, and the Jews were providing an easy alternative explanation. Justin (Dial. 108) reports that the story was still being used by Jews against Xians in the mid second century.

One thing that emerges from all this is that whatever the origin of it, the Early Church's claim was all about a physical body vanishing.

[chimp3]

I doubt there was a human body to begin with. I am leaning to the Mythicists.

[fredd bear]

I doubt there was a human body to begin with. I am leaning to the Mythicists.

I have no idea, although I have my suspicions about the claim Jesus' rose from the dead. The claim that the two Roman soldiers fell asleep is also slightly suspicious; falling asleep on duty was a capital offence as far as I know. Unlikely two Roman soldiers would ever admit to such a thing.

There is an interesting book, " The Passover Plot" by Hugh K Schonfield. Note that it IS a conspiracy theory. BUT, no loopier than the official Christian claim that Jesus rose from the dead.


The Passover Plot
by Hugh J. Schonfield
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Finally back in print, this special 40th anniversary edition of Dr. Schonfield's international multimillioncopy bestseller is set to rock the establishment view of the life of Jesus all over again.

There is probably no other figure in modern Jewish historical research who is more controversial or famous than Hugh J. Schonfield, who once said: "The scholars deplore that I have spilled the beans to the public. Several of them have said to me, 'You ought to have kept this just among ourselves, you know.'"

What he did to "spill the beans" was present historical evidence suggesting that Jesus was a mortal man, a young genius who believed himself to be the Messiah and deliberately and brilliantly planned his entire ministry according to the Old Testament prophecies--even to the extent of plotting his own arrest, crucifixion and resurrection.

Since Schonfield's death in 1988, his popularity and the interest in his prodigious work, which included over 40 books, has drawn increasing attention, particularly outside Judaism. In fact, it is probably fair to say that his contribution to the Gentile understanding of Jewish aspirations among those within the Christian cultural framework has been without parallel. In true Christian tradition, he has also been the cause of much contention.

In the wake of resurgent interest in religious history spurred by Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ and Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code, this 40th anniversary edition of The Passover Plot is set to engage a completely new generation of readers searching for truth. (less)

[Jehanne]

If one drops ideas of biblical inspiration and the like in favour of mining historical data, one can go a little bit beyond mere hair splitting.

The Early Church didn't invent the story from nothing; if you're trying to persuade folk that something very strange has happened, you don't bundle it up with a ready-to-serve alternative explanation. The Xians wouldn't want to put the idea in people's heads that they had stolen the body, unless they had little option but to discuss it.

It seems far more likely that the Jews of Matthew's day actually were using the story as a counter-apologetic. The Xians were making a claim about Jesus' body, and the Jews were providing an easy alternative explanation. Justin (Dial. 108) reports that the story was still being used by Jews against Xians in the mid second century.

One thing that emerges from all this is that whatever the origin of it, the Early Church's claim was all about a physical body vanishing.

Where is this claimed, in the "early Church," and, by whom?

[Draconic Aiur]

or maybe it's a story made up by the Catholic Church