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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 12:23 am
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Quote:Disney is Star Wars.
Yeah because George Lucas produced nothing but gold .
(May 25, 2019 at 12:22 am)AFTT47 Wrote: (May 25, 2019 at 12:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Uh, it’s a cobbled together train wreck of a fiction. You are arguing over which of the broken pieces of glass strewn on the ground belongs to the authentic carriage in the train.
Yes, admittedly so. Still, there is no reason to accept what Abrams says just because he says so. Accept it isn't on his say on his say so . It's the company who owns the rights to the franchise say so , And as I already pointed out Roddenberry didn't think Stat trek was solely his forever . Again your free not to like it but their is no reason to accept it's not cannon simply because you don't like it . By that logic anyone for any reason can say something isn't cannon
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 5:10 am
Fun fact: Wil Wheaton is now at the exact age as Patrick Stewart was when he started making Star Trek: The Next Generation
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 11:26 am
(May 25, 2019 at 12:23 am)Amarok Wrote: Quote:Disney is Star Wars.
Yeah because George Lucas produced nothing but gold .
(May 25, 2019 at 12:22 am)AFTT47 Wrote: Yes, admittedly so. Still, there is no reason to accept what Abrams says just because he says so. Accept it isn't on his say on his say so . It's the company who owns the rights to the franchise say so , And as I already pointed out Roddenberry didn't think Stat trek was solely his forever . Again your free not to like it but their is no reason to accept it's not cannon simply because you don't like it . By that logic anyone for any reason can say something isn't cannon
Very trickle down capitalistic of you.
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 11:45 am
(May 25, 2019 at 11:26 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 25, 2019 at 12:23 am)Amarok Wrote: Yeah because George Lucas produced nothing but gold .
Accept it isn't on his say on his say so . It's the company who owns the rights to the franchise say so , And as I already pointed out Roddenberry didn't think Stat trek was solely his forever . Again your free not to like it but their is no reason to accept it's not cannon simply because you don't like it . By that logic anyone for any reason can say something isn't cannon
Very trickle down capitalistic of you. No I was simply pointing out
1.the organization who writes the official sources gets to say what's cannon
2. Roddenberry believed Trek was more then his idea's
3. Likes don't determine cannon
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 12:02 pm
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Quote:2. Roddenberry believed Trek was more then his idea's
Towards the end, he probably believed he was working on 'Gunsmoke'.
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 12:12 pm
(May 25, 2019 at 11:45 am)Amarok Wrote: (May 25, 2019 at 11:26 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Very trickle down capitalistic of you. No I was simply pointing out
1.the organization who writes the official sources gets to say what's cannon
2. Roddenberry believed Trek was more then his idea's
3. Likes don't determine cannon
Official by whose definition?
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 1:04 pm
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(May 25, 2019 at 12:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 25, 2019 at 11:45 am)Amarok Wrote: No I was simply pointing out
1.the organization who writes the official sources gets to say what's cannon
2. Roddenberry believed Trek was more then his idea's
3. Likes don't determine cannon
Official by whose definition? By the fact they both legally own the rights to the franchise and have creative control over it .
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 1:28 pm
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(May 25, 2019 at 12:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 25, 2019 at 11:45 am)Amarok Wrote: No I was simply pointing out
1.the organization who writes the official sources gets to say what's cannon
2. Roddenberry believed Trek was more then his idea's
3. Likes don't determine cannon
Official by whose definition?
This is something I've given some thought to over the years... who has the final say as far as canonicity goes? Like, check this out:
Quote:Canonicity of Star Trek: The Animated Series is disputed, but is generally considered canon except where it conflicts with the live-action series and movies. It was canon for 15 years after it first aired - it was only after the first season of TNG that Roddenberry officially got it de-canonized.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/question...-not-canon
What does this mean? He "got it" de-canonized? Did he submit it to a board for approval? We treat things like this as "official" knowing full well that there is no real officiating body. We just want the Star Trek universe to be some kind of cohesive whole, but the reality is, it is formed peacemeal by whatever the show's writers think will make an interesting episode that week.
I think the biggest driver of canonicity is "fan consensus." This is especially true with things that don't have a grand poobah like Roddenberry, whose word is treated like a papal decree.
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
May 25, 2019 at 1:41 pm
(May 25, 2019 at 1:28 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: (May 25, 2019 at 12:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Official by whose definition?
This is something I've given some thought to over the years... who has the final say as far as canonicity goes? Like, check this out:
Quote:Canonicity of Star Trek: The Animated Series is disputed, but is generally considered canon except where it conflicts with the live-action series and movies. It was canon for 15 years after it first aired - it was only after the first season of TNG that Roddenberry officially got it de-canonized.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/question...-not-canon
What does this mean? He "got it" de-canonized? Did he submit it to a board for approval? We treat things like this as "official" knowing full well that there is no real officiating body. We just want the Star Trek universe to be some kind of cohesive whole, but the reality is, it is formed peacemeal by whatever the show's writers think will make an interesting episode that week.
I think the biggest driver of canonicity is "fan consensus." This is especially true with things that don't have a grand poobah like Roddenberry, whose word is treated like a papal decree. 1.Gene used his creative control at the time to argue it created to many cannon conflicts with earlier stories and paramount and most of the writing staff agreed
2. Fan consensus is not the primary driver as it often itself internally inconsistent and based on whim
3. It's funny because roddenberry his words were not the cannon
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RE: Star Trek Picard - Teaser
July 21, 2019 at 12:11 am
Oh this is also crossover with another ST show... can you spot what?
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