Kobe Bryant dead from Helicopter crash

[The Grand Nudger]

This is all really fascinating..but, if we're still even remotely discussing white supremacy and Kobe..Kobe benefited from it.

[Athene]

[Mr.wizard]

The problem the Shell is pointing out is that you want to lump all of white people together, telling us what we think, what our intentions are, whats important to us, and what we are willing to do. You don't know me, you don't know a damn thing about me, yet you sit there telling me about me, it's insulting and I really don't see how it's not racist on your part.

[Athene]

The problem the Shell is pointing out is that you want to lump all of white people together, telling us what we think, what our intentions are, whats important to us, and what we are willing to do. You don't know me, you don't know a damn thing about me, yet you sit there telling me about me, it's insulting and I really don't see how it's not racist on your part.

That post wan't even addressed to you, Wizard.
Of course, now that your fragile self has responded to it by whelping that you're being personally attacked and blubbering nonsense, it would appear that shoe does actually fit though.

Oh, yeah...this line-up is great. What was I thinking?

Go Team!

[Mr.wizard]

The problem the Shell is pointing out is that you want to lump all of white people together, telling us what we think, what our intentions are, whats important to us, and what we are willing to do. You don't know me, you don't know a damn thing about me, yet you sit there telling me about me, it's insulting and I really don't see how it's not racist on your part.

That post wan't even addressed to you, Wizard.

Of course, now that you're fragile self has responded to it by whelping that you're personally attacked and blubbering nonsense, it would appear that shoe does actually fit though.

Oh, yeah...this line-up is great. Go Team!

Sure it was Im a white guy and since you lump all white people together you were talking to me. I guess that just shows you the problem you create when you lump all white people together. But keep going your doing great bud, lol!

[The Grand Nudger]

White supremacy does use the white masses, not just the white racists, and their invocation of deference as cover. This isn't the only non-racist plank of american society that white supremacy leverages for effect. To return to an earlier analogy, racism is the water. You don't have to be the racist shark to be a functional part of the white supremacist structure.

Arguably, non racists and crypto-racists are more useful to white supremacy than the hood wearing tiki torch burning set.

Athene can only have her opinions validated when, in speaking of how a person can be useful to white supremacy without intentionally meaning to be - this results in a sense of personal insult and condemnation which expresses itself as a reflexive counter accusation of racism. In this case, she can't talk about a reality of how white supremacy operates in the world and where it draws it's warrant, cover, and innumerable other goods. The good non racist whites have shut that down as personally insulting to them. I suppose it should be, but maybe we should be personally insulted by how the white supremacists are using us, rather than being angry at the person who pointed out that and how they are using us?

[Mr.wizard]

White supremacy does use the white masses, not just the white racists, and their invocation of deference as cover. This isn't the only non-racist plank of american society that white supremacy leverages for effect. To return to an earlier analogy, racism is the water. You don't have to be the racist shark to be a functional part of the white supremacist structure.

Arguably, non racists and crypto-racists are more useful to white supremacy than the hood wearing tiki torch burning set.

Athene can only have her opinions validated when, in speaking of how a person can be useful to white supremacy without intentionally meaning to be - this results in a sense of personal insult and condemnation which expresses itself as a reflexive counter accusation of racism. In this case, she can't talk about a reality of how white supremacy operates in the world and where it draws it's warrant, cover, and innumerable other goods. The good non racist whites have shut that down as personally insulting to them. I suppose it should be, but maybe we should be personally insulted by how the white supremacists are using us, rather than being angry at the person who pointed out that and how they are using us?

Not a problem with me I fully acknowledge that. The insulting part is telling me what " White people think " and the intentions of White people. I don't dispute the fact that white supramcy exists and that Im part of the system even if its unwillingly.

[The Grand Nudger]

It isn't impossible to get an impression of what white people think. We're a vocal bunch with pretty much every media outlet devoted to covering our various opinions.

[Mr.wizard]

It isn't impossible to get an impression of what white people think. We're a vocal bunch with pretty much every media outlet devoted to covering our various opinions.

But we are talking directly to eachother, why do we need to go to what white people think, its frustrating to have your personal opinion discounted and then told what my opinion is.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, but again, for Athene, this conversation serves to validate her specific concerns. If the good non racist whites respond in the manner that she expects, which is useful to white supremacy - then her point has been made.