Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Nor did banning it in effect hurt. It was economics, not the absence of religion, which hurt.

Oh well, it did. People were not happy with the fact that their churches and mosques were used as barns.
But they couldn't really object to it, since Stalin the maniac was always happy with sending their asses to the gulags.

[Epimethean]

Should the military be religious? Should it get guidance from above?

BTW, speaking of using churches as barns: You gotta love how the Ottomans used the Parthenon, eh?

[The Grand Nudger]

Mehmet, how dare you question the noble morality of the soviet military? If a uniformed man with a gun says your mosque would make a better barn, and that you belong in a gulag, he's speaking from the purest form of absolute moral authority. You are impeding his quest to perfect his mind, body, and spirit by disagreeing with him.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Should the military be religious? Should it get guidance from above?

BTW, speaking of using churches as barns: You gotta love how the Ottomans used the Parthenon, eh?

It really does not change the fact that the communists have done this.
And no. The military should be nationalistic. And as such, must also respect the religion of the nation from which it's compromised from.

Mehmet, how dare you question the noble morality of the soviet military? If a uniformed man with a gun says your mosque would make a better barn, and that you belong in a gulag, he's speaking from the purest form of absolute moral authority. You are impeding his quest to perfect his mind, body, and spirit by disagreeing with him.

Oh. Now this is somewhat related to the soviet military?
I must tell you that fear was not kept within the soviet union by the red army, it was done by the police commisars, and those were the people who ordered people to be sent to gulags, and to decide which religious buildings to be demolished and used as barns.

[Epimethean]

"The military should be nationalistic. And as such, must also respect the religion of the nation from which it's compromised from."

There's the rub, Mehmet-there's the rub.

[kılıç_mehmet]

"The military should be nationalistic. And as such, must also respect the religion of the nation from which it's compromised from."

There's the rub, Mehmet-there's the rub.

What really is the problem?
The military is the people. At least we Turks have always seen the military being the "people" themselves, not a seperate entity that towers above us.
Throughout our history, we have always been warriors. We didn't see us as anything different, even now.
It's said that every Turk is born a soldier.

The army cannot go against the same nation it's compromised from. It's certainly not possible. However, it is also tasked with defending the same nation from any threats, either internal, or external.

[The Grand Nudger]

People who say things like that are usually talking out of their ass. If people were born soldiers then we wouldn't need to train them. You really have thrown a sopping wet blanket of myth over military service. Your grandfather served yeah? I can understand.

Wouldn't take a military to get rid of religion anyway.

[kılıç_mehmet]

People who say things like that are usually talking out of their ass. If people were born soldiers then we wouldn't need to train them. You really have thrown a sopping wet blanket of myth over military service. Your grandfather served yeah? I can understand.

Well, this is just a saying. Not to say that we're born with a sword in our hands.
But we were born into a people that are inherently warriors at heart.
Meaning, a martial race.
Not farmers, builders or simple hunter gatherers.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure...sure....lol. (takes many more support personnel to keep each soldier fighting. any warrior culture is going to be pretty good at supply and logistics, and spend many more man hours on those things than actual fighting. Can't have it both ways. Soldiers need food, equipment, and lodging/fortification. You want the Attillas? gotta take bob the farmer as well.)

[Epimethean]

Then you have nothing. The Romans were true warriors, but they were farmers first, and they did not forget this. A military nation that is military first, foremost, and above all is devoid of humanity.