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RE: God's Love
June 14, 2020 at 6:52 pm
(June 14, 2020 at 6:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: He's already touched on this, as well. He doesn't realize that such a state of affairs would be intervention in the sense meaningful to deism and theism.
If I had to guess, he thinks that when people use those terms to communicate the difference between different types of gods, it means something like finding our lost car keys for us. If I wanted to get really specific, and especially given his comments on what must be good and why, he's not just any theist, he's a maltheist. He believes in a god that any competent moral agent would recognize as evil.
Harm amuses his god, and it's in this sense and this sense only that he then decides to call any existent harm "good".
TBH. I am not sure what he believes, but I am almost certain he does not either.
Can't say for sure, because he ain't givish with the info.
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RE: God's Love
June 14, 2020 at 7:02 pm
(June 14, 2020 at 6:39 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (June 14, 2020 at 6:26 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I figure he's just mistaken. He can be mistaken about what term best describes his beliefs in a way that he can't be mistaken about an internal experience common to humanity...unless he simply does not possess such an experience, ofc.
There's a word for that, and it isn't "utilitarian".
Could be, but he is absolutly not a deist. Unless he is using some quixotic personal definition that nobody knows but him. He could be a pantheist, panenthiest, but he likely doesn't know what those are either.
Were I pressed to guess, I would suggest a theist that eschews the "normal" churches (if one can call them normal), an uncoventional theist, if you will.
However, there is no way to tell because he ain't saying anything much.
All we do know is that he claims to be a deist, yet his god also informs morality. These are incompatible claims.
Delusionalist?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: God's Love
June 14, 2020 at 7:33 pm
(June 14, 2020 at 7:02 pm)brewer Wrote: (June 14, 2020 at 6:39 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Could be, but he is absolutly not a deist. Unless he is using some quixotic personal definition that nobody knows but him. He could be a pantheist, panenthiest, but he likely doesn't know what those are either.
Were I pressed to guess, I would suggest a theist that eschews the "normal" churches (if one can call them normal), an uncoventional theist, if you will.
However, there is no way to tell because he ain't saying anything much.
All we do know is that he claims to be a deist, yet his god also informs morality. These are incompatible claims.
Delusionalist? Possibly. But therein lies the rub. We cannot tell. So far we have a deist god that actively intervenes in human affairs. Those claims cannot be reconciled.
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RE: God's Love
June 14, 2020 at 7:41 pm
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And a utilitarianism based on what makes just one agent happy. Also irreconcilable.
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RE: God's Love
June 14, 2020 at 9:02 pm
(June 14, 2020 at 7:41 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: And a utilitarianism based on what makes just one agent happy. Also irreconcilable.
So is it that they do not think about it or what? I have no idea.
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RE: God's Love
June 14, 2020 at 11:09 pm
(June 14, 2020 at 7:33 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (June 14, 2020 at 7:02 pm)brewer Wrote: Delusionalist? Possibly. But therein lies the rub. We cannot tell. So far we have a deist god that actively intervenes in human affairs. Those claims cannot be reconciled.
Claims, schmains, they're all delusional in my book. They just come in different flavors.
Sounds like this one might be universal unicorn sherbet.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: God's Love
June 15, 2020 at 4:07 am
If god doesn't call you afterwards, is it still love?
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RE: God's Love
June 15, 2020 at 7:44 am
With the non-essential worship day over, the deluded theist should be returning.
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RE: God's Love
June 15, 2020 at 7:49 am
(June 15, 2020 at 4:07 am)no one Wrote: If god doesn't call you afterwards, is it still love?
The faithful sure do give god alot of good sexual, but as far as I can tell they never get so much as a reacharound for their trouble.
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RE: God's Love
June 15, 2020 at 8:15 am
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(June 12, 2020 at 1:36 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Seems you are a bit "off topic" here? You can of course start one. And then those that are interested in your topic can "debate" it. But you know by now that our Relationship is important. And as a "mod" I am actually in saving your from your "boss - slave" relationships here.
Claiming to be a forum moderator is a new low for you Johanabrahams. I wonder how the ACTUAL forum moderators will view you claming to be one of them.
And don't pretend you don't understand the distinction. I've seen more than enough of your posts on the International Skeptics Forum to know you understand full well that a "mod" is a forum moderator.
(June 12, 2020 at 10:30 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: You and I do not have a “relationship.” You’re bat-shit crazy, and I’m making fun of you. That is all.
Stalkers typically care more about if THEY think there's a relationship than if there actually is one. His capacity for obsession and endless engagement without conveying any substance beyond religious smugness is quite impressive. Get used to it. He's going to keep it up until you block him. Whatever you do, don't let him find out who you are on Facebook. He has a number of cohorts / sock puppet accounts that will harangue you. I've even seem some of his Facebook "friends" trying to get money out of someone he had been engaging with on Facebook.
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