God's Love

[flakingnapstich]

UtilitarianDeist is no more Deist than I'm an all-powerful reincarnation of Merlin capable of shaping global events with brews of pickled toad eyes and fermented Pika Poo.

The ONLY argument I've seen from UtilitarianDeist to support their claim of being a Deist is a tautological one derived from their username. They, or at least the character they're portraying here, is clearly religious, but they are describing Calvinistic predetermination and a heavily involved deity. That is NOT deism.

[brewer]

Notice that Johan ceases to post when another god-botherer turns up. This is part of his standard MO.

You mean the new guy has seen Johns dick?

I think I'm offended

[Gwaithmir]

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I make sense of good without God on a daily basis. 

On the metaethical level? Are you a moral realist?

See the principles of Secular Humanism, which I adhere to, and decide for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism

[Nay_Sayer]

Well, now we know you are not a deist.

I am a deist.

Would you care to share what flavour of theist you are?

I don't follow a religion.

It's the usual theist lie that morality is impossible without god.

Trivially easy to prove wrong, but they keep repeating it.

I don't claim that morality is impossible without God. I only claim that objective morality can be justified via God.

Actually, that is a flat out lie. I can easily make sense of good without any god at all. So can most here.

I'm talking about on the metaethical level.

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fify

if the FSM existed and created the universe then it too would be the only way to get objective morality.

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I make sense of good without God on a daily basis. 

On the metaethical level? Are you a moral realist?

No if's FSM did.

RAmen

[Abaddon_ire]

I am a deist.


I don't follow a religion.


I don't claim that morality is impossible without God. I only claim that objective morality can be justified via God.



I'm talking about on the metaethical level.

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if the FSM existed and created the universe then it too would be the only way to get objective morality.

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On the metaethical level? Are you a moral realist?

No if's FSM did.

RAmen

May we all be touched by his noodly appendage.

[GUBU]

Kind of like the irresistable shit against the immovable shit?

Nope.  Like Mother and Son.  I did invite him.  Because He understands more of the Love of God and Relationship with Him.  And will be of a huge help.  I can also tag him. @Drich. But after that it is all up to him.

Lad, I've no interest in interacting with you at all, mainly because you're an utter piece of shit who shouldn't be alloeed spew your vile poison in other ears. Any further replies by you to me will result in you going on my ignore list.

I have more productive things to do with my time than reply to you, like scratching my balls.

[Abaddon_ire]

Well, Johan has gone AWOL for a few days. One of two things will happen.

A. He will never return. Probably a good thing.

Or

B. Time for a fringe reset. And we will all do this all over again.

How do I know? Bitter experience. It's his MO.

[flakingnapstich]

Nope.  Like Mother and Son.  I did invite him.  Because He understands more of the Love of God and Relationship with Him.  And will be of a huge help.  I can also tag him. @Drich. But after that it is all up to him.

Lad, I've no interest in interacting with you at all, mainly because you're an utter piece of shit who shouldn't be alloeed spew your vile poison in other ears.  Any further replies by you to me will result in you going on my ignore list.

I have more productive things to do with my time than reply to you, like scratching my balls.

Ball scratching is far more satisfying to boot.

[Abaddon_ire]

Well, now we know you are not a deist.

I am a deist.

Nope. You believe an interventionist deity. That is not deism.

Would you care to share what flavour of theist you are?

I don't follow a religion.

That was not my question. I asked what flavour of interventionist deity you espoused. You merely brought up religion as a strawman in order to avoid the question.

It's the usual theist lie that morality is impossible without god.

Trivially easy to prove wrong, but they keep repeating it.

I don't claim that morality is impossible without God. I only claim that objective morality can be justified via God.

Nope. Objective morality is entirely possible without any god. In fact, the introduction of a god messes morality up from top to bottom.

Actually, that is a flat out lie. I can easily make sense of good without any god at all. So can most here.

I'm talking about on the metaethical level.

"Metaethical"? So you are admitting to talking out your arse.

[Johanabrahams]

Notice that Johan ceases to post when another god-botherer turns up. This is part of his standard MO.

You mean the new guy has seen Johns dick?

I think I'm offended

Seems there is some "lack of understanding" with you all?

But we can take a look at your reason.   Why do you think it can be the Truth?

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Lad, I've no interest in interacting with you at all, mainly because you're an utter piece of shit who shouldn't be alloeed spew your vile poison in other ears.  Any further replies by you to me will result in you going on my ignore list.

I have more productive things to do with my time than reply to you, like scratching my balls.

Ball scratching is far more satisfying to boot.

Seems you are totally in another "spirit"?  Not one worth much for Everlasting Happiness and Joy.

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Well, Johan has gone AWOL for a few days. One of two things will happen.

A. He will never return. Probably a good thing.

Or

B. Time for a fringe reset. And we will all do this all over again.

How do I know? Bitter experience. It's his MO.

Well, Johan has gone AWOL for a few days.

And why do you judge it as "AWOL"?

One of two things will happen.

A. He will never return. Probably a good thing.

Why do you think that will be good?

Or

B. Time for a fringe reset. And we will all do this all over again.

You want to run in cirlces?

How do I know? Bitter experience. It's his MO.

You have any link to any of my previous "circles"?

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Nope.  Like Mother and Son.  I did invite him.  Because He understands more of the Love of God and Relationship with Him.  And will be of a huge help.  I can also tag him. @Drich. But after that it is all up to him.

Lad, I've no interest in interacting with you at all, mainly because you're an utter piece of shit who shouldn't be alloeed spew your vile poison in other ears.  Any further replies by you to me will result in you going on my ignore list.

I have more productive things to do with my time than reply to you, like scratching my balls.

So why did you "waste your time" in telling me this.   Just to get your "punch" in.  You should know by now that "punches" are evil.   And I don't react with evil.  But with Love and Wisdom.  And if you keep on with your "punches/cudgels" you will get "sick to death".  As all evil are punished by God. 

You never noticed?

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Notice that Johan ceases to post when another god-botherer turns up. This is part of his standard MO.

Notice that Johan ceases to post when another god-botherer turns up.

You sure?  Why do you think that might be the case?

This is part of his standard MO.

Then you will not struggle much to find a link for us. 

Because as it is now it is just "hypocrisy".  Judging me without evidence. 

Mat.  7
 1  Judge not, that ye be not judged. 

  2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 
  3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 
  4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 
  5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Judgment is actually reserved by God for His Grown Up Kids. 

1 Cor. 6
  Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

   Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
   Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
   If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
   I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
   But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.



You will also notice here that this is exactly the reason for the "clergy" having court orders against me.  It is not the Wisdom of God ruling.  But it is them running for help to the "unbelievers".   How can Children of God saying that God is their Father run for help to the "law system" or the "unjust"?


They don't have Wisdom to solve their problems. And because they do not look for it but run to their "god" the "unjust" they are now getting disciplined by their Father for putting Him aside.   They are learning this the hard way now.   They didn't listen when I spoke to them in the beginning by my teachings on this.  And now they have to feel the "pain". 

And i do believe some of them will realize this Truth.  And start listening.  That is usually the effect of discipline by our Father.

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Seems you are a bit "off topic" here?  You can of course start one.  And then those that are interested in your topic can "debate" it.  But you know by now that our Relationship is important.  And as a "mod" I am actually in saving your from your "boss - slave" relationships here. 

Claiming to be a forum moderator is a new low for you Johanabrahams. I wonder how the ACTUAL forum moderators will view you claming to be one of them.

And don't pretend you don't understand the distinction. I've seen more than enough of your posts on the International Skeptics Forum to know you understand full well that a "mod" is a forum moderator.

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You and I do not have a “relationship.” You’re bat-shit crazy, and I’m making fun of you. That is all.

Stalkers typically care more about if THEY think there's a relationship than if there actually is one. His capacity for obsession and endless engagement without conveying any substance beyond religious smugness is quite impressive. Get used to it. He's going to keep it up until you block him. Whatever you do, don't let him find out who you are on Facebook. He has a number of cohorts / sock puppet accounts that will harangue you. I've even seem some of his Facebook "friends" trying to get money out of someone he had been engaging with on Facebook.

Claiming to be a forum moderator is a new low for you Johanabrahams.

I agree.   I am not yet there.  I hear age can do that for you though.  So we will have to accept the Truth.  You thinking I am claiming that is a "new low" for you?   As I said many times already.   Judgment is reserved by God for His Grown ups.  Not you.   You just become a "hypocrite" when you try. 


Mat. 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

I wonder how the ACTUAL forum moderators will view you claming to be one of them.

Let us see if there is anyone that want to venture into this "new low". 

And don't pretend you don't understand the distinction. I've seen more than enough of your posts on the International Skeptics Forum to know you understand full well that a "mod" is a forum moderator.

Sure.  I am one too.  I have some places of my own.  But I have given the Authority to my Husband and don't do it myself.  I don't want to become part of  the boss - slave "low".  So when you get there you will notice the Free Spirit of God Ruling.  Were you are free to be wrong without the fear and punishment attitude being in control there.  I am sure @Abaddon_ire has met with it.  Specially when his friend "Halleyscomet" made use of the opportunity and tried it out.