God's Love

[Paleophyte]

Read. No evidence. Provide it or sod off. If you can't be arsed with a 20 second copy-N-paste from a previous post then provide a link.

Ok.  I understand you just don't know how to look.

 

No, I just don't care.

You aren't god or evidence of god

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If you look at a puppy.  Is it not evidence of dogs existing?

Humility isn't your strong suit is it? Extrapolating from you doesn't get me anything that I'd want to worship. You aren't a puppy. You aren't even a bacterium. And you certainly aren't evidence of god.

[Johanabrahams]

God's side of the Story.

When I had my first kid,  a daughter I obviously started punishing her for her sins according to what I studied as a Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church.  This basically was corporal punishment.  Where you inflict pain (spanking) on the child and the child has to fear the spanking and be obedient.  But it didn't make me feel good afterwards  And I  asked God about it.  And He told me.

He said there should be no laws in my Life.  Then there will be no need to punish my child.  Because that is how my Relationship works with Him.

Eph. 2
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

I have to raise my child in Love and Wisdom.  Without any punishment.  This of course went totally against the rules of "Die Herberg".  Children had to be punished.  I refrained.   And for 4 years I learned how to raise my Children (they were two daughters by now) in Love and Wisdom in front of the eyes of everybody.  For 5 years.  From the year 1995 to the year 2000.  And they still refused to change their position.   I gave them teachings about it and they rejected it.

In front of me and my children they were busy with their "harsh" punishment.  And sometimes acting in that evil spirit towards my kids too in anger and the actions of anger.  Pulling of ears, slapping through the faces, jerking them around at their arms, curses, shouting etc.  And I asked God again what I should do.  And He said I had to start discipline them too.  In the Love and Wisdom with which He taught me to handle me kids.  And I started doing that.

That was when the "fight" started.  They said I was against God.  I was the devil and mad.  But they got "mad" instead and used their methods of corporal punishment on me.  Assaults of course and name calling and their "cudgels" basically wanting me to "fear" them because of the bodily pain they inflicted.   And eventually "banned" me from my house and family.  After threatening my wife that she would lose her job if she is not in.  And they got court orders to kept me permanently "banned".  

Out of "Die Herberg" God proved some more to them His ways.  He gave me my own "Herberg".  I only had a corrugated shack in which I stayed on a property I bought earlier.  It was built by the previous owner for his car.  And there God put in 13 "too difficult to handle" kids.  Rejected by their parents from their houses.  And sent to the streets in the "anger" that goes with the punishment of the religions.  They were hookers, on drugs and drunkards and thieves and part of gangs and fighting also in "anger".  They were between the ages of 12 and 60.  And I had to be a "Mother" to them for 10 years.  I went out each day to work for them while they enjoyed their "lives".  Stealing everything they could from me and selling it for drugs.  And the "hookers" was out on their "hunting" for more money for drugs.  As i only earned enough for food for them.   I became a worker on a farm with the lowest income in South Africa.  And I just had to be there for them.  Always in forgiveness and teaching them in Love and Wisdom of God.  Providing for them the Spiritual Atmosphere of God's Love to them.  

Outside in the town I was teaching everyone in the Love and Wisdom of God.  And disciplining all in His way.  By rebuking those that do wrong.  

1 Tim. 5
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

There is also an actual example how it is done.  By just speaking about what is wrong while it is busy happening.  

Gal. 2
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

This Life of mine lasted for 10 years.  From the year 2000 to 2010.  For 10 years they tried to get me out of my "Family" but they could not succeed.  Because God was for me.  

Rom. 8
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

In the church and state owned Herberg they were struggling in anger and punishment to discipline 15 kids that were given to a "parent". With all the means and money available to them. Living in nice houses built for them. And the parents being provided for. They just had to be there for the kids. These kids were basically normal kids with just problems in their houses. So they were taken by the state because their parents could not look well after them for various reasons. And i had 13 rejected kids by their parents. The most difficult there was. Without any means and help from anybody. With the lowest income of all in Robertson. Living with them in a corrugated iron shack. But I managed to establish a Happy house for them. Where we lived together in the Love and Wisdom of God. In Joy of Family Life. With God as their Father and Me as their Mother. In front of everybody. And they said. I am from the devil and mad. And they persecuted me because I was actually from God. To open their eyes to His Life and Ability. But they were blinded by their "leaders" in their religions and doctrines. And they totally missed God's Ways. Because they substituted God for their religions and doctrines. Leading them on a "false" way.

And the aftermath of this is now clearly visible on my first tweet in Twitter. Teaching now the whole of South Africa and the world about Gods' Way in Love and Wisdom vs the ways of the World witness in Abaddon and "his pastors" of anger and curses. No wonder their houses are not standing.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Yes, interesting story..... might need more dragons.

So, where is the 'Objective' diety existing in this tale?

Cheers.

[no one]

Is god's love topped off with a lollipop and an atta boy?

[Sal]

Were Adam and Eve innocent before eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge?

They didn't need to hide from God.  They had a Relationship with Him.  And they enjoyed their "innocence" in that Relationship with Him.  As it is Relationship with God that is the Utmost Experience.  It gives Life.  And when it is destroyed death comes in.  To live with guilt and embarrassment towards Someone that Loves you while you have rejected Him  is "death".  Or hell.

You didn't answer my question.

[Johanabrahams]

They didn't need to hide from God.  They had a Relationship with Him.  And they enjoyed their "innocence" in that Relationship with Him.  As it is Relationship with God that is the Utmost Experience.  It gives Life.  And when it is destroyed death comes in.  To live with guilt and embarrassment towards Someone that Loves you while you have rejected Him  is "death".  Or hell.

You didn't answer my question.

I did.  But you maybe didn't understand my answer.

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Ok.  I understand you just don't know how to look.

 

No, I just don't care.

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If you look at a puppy.  Is it not evidence of dogs existing?

Humility isn't your strong suit is it? Extrapolating from you doesn't get me anything that I'd want to worship. You aren't a puppy. You aren't even a bacterium. And you certainly aren't evidence of god.

No, I just don't care.

Yep.  That is human intellectual life.  They just worship themselves and their intellect.   They are just looking for an opportunity to show it off.  They don't care about Relationships and "caring".  That is what happened when Adam and Eve chose for "knowledge".  They choose against Relationships.  And they have virtually none.  Just trying to have something in their own families.  So selfish.  And that is why their Lives are called "dead".  Because Real Happiness and Fulfillment and Joy and Peace and Love etc are only found in Relationships of Family Bonds. 

This is restored by God when He becomes the Father of all.  And we all part of His Family. 

Humility isn't your strong suit is it?

Humility is not given to intellect to understand.  Mine is perfect.  Because who and what i am is created in me by God.  Not of my own doing.  So unlike the "hidden pride" of humans acting "humility".  But of course being just dishonest about it.  Because they are full of pride in themselves and what they accomplished.  And just eager to show it off.  And to take on someone to prove how "good" they are.  

Extrapolating from you doesn't get me anything that I'd want to worship.

Humans are into worshiping.  You will exercise many hours to win something to be honored/worshipped for how "good" you are.  When you are not even good.  Because who and what you are is given you by God.  

You aren't a puppy. You aren't even a bacterium.

I didn't say I was any of that.  i was just helping you to understand.  

And you certainly aren't evidence of god.

That is just your opinion.  That you try to get up to par with a "judgement".  While it is not given to you to do that.   Only to the Adult Children of God.  In your case it is just "hypocrisy". 

Mat. 7
 1  Judge not, that ye be not judged. 
  2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 
  3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 
  4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 
  5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.




Acting as if you can judge.  Trying to exalt yourself.  As human "gods" do in their selfish honoring and worshiping of themselves.  That is why God Judges you as a "hypocrite".  

But of course God is your Savior.  And you can be saved too.  From yourself. That is His Love.  To give your Redemption with the Judgement.  So those that is really "Humble" will take it.  But the prideful will not and stick to their "hell" of human existence in "dead" intellectualism. 

Gen. 2
  17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die


You are presently eating of the tree of "knowledge" and dead.  But there is another Tree to Change too.  The Tree of Life.  You will decide yourself.  And you will be with the consequences of your choice yourself.  Love has to give a choice.  Because Love needs to be chosen.  Voluntarily.   God gave Himself to us in Love.  And you choose Him or reject Him. 

Enjoy your choice.

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Yeah this forum is turning  into a true mental institution, I mean look at this:


Johanabrahams thinks he's Ire's mother.

Well, if you're going to have a delusion of grandeur, I say go big or go home!

Just an opinion.  That is all humans have.  They so desire to have more power in their words. To be worshiped by all.  But unfortunately they do not have.  And they can not get.  Just desiring something out of their reach.  

Judgments like you are trying to do here is reserved for the Adult Children of God.  They present a case.   You should know about it.  Just take a look at human judges in a court.  There has to be evidence for you to judge on.  At this point in time you are just worshiping your intellect and trying to be a "Judge".  Which is of course "hypocrisy".

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IANAP; but I fear this person may be mentally ill.

Yeah this forum is turning  into a true mental institution, I mean look at this:

You don't want to be Saved by Me.  Your Mother.  

Johanabrahams thinks he's Ire's mother.

Yeah this forum is turning  into a true mental institution, I mean look at this:

Seems you are "scared"?  So it is not really just "thinking"?

Johanabrahams thinks he's Ire's mother.

You really think God is only the Father of "Ire's"?  Nope.  He is everybody's Father.  Some just reject Him.  To their own downfall.

But no need to fear.  God gives all a choice.  Nobody is forced.   God created everything "good".  You decide for yourself.

[Johanabrahams]

Oops!   Some more "slander".     You have a lot of slander here.  Do try and improve on that.  Because slander bites.  Not me but you. 

Note how he wrote this near the end of a post where he laid out his religious justification for breaking the forum rules at the International Skeptics Forum (ISF). He claimed I slandered him after he spent several sentences admitting and justifying the very behavior for which I criticized him.

This gets us to his habit of gas-lighting. In my experience he tends to treat the past as malleable and constantly reshapes it to his advantage. My favorite example of this was when on the ISF he kept posting a link to a photograph on Facebook supposedly proving he was God's wife. For days, possibly weeks, he kept posting this link. People kept telling him they couldn't see it because the Facebook account whose image it was had it flagged as a "Friends Only" image. Johanabrahams accused everyone of lying about not seeing the image because he could see it.

Eventually Johanabrahams got in touch with the person whose image it was and they changed the security on the image to allow public viewing. Once the image WAS public Johanabrahams then went back and quoted a bunch of old posts from when the image wasn't visible and accused people of lying because the image was visible now. This sparked days of people trying to explain the concept of the posts having been accurate and truthful at the time they were written and Johanabrahams steadfastly pretending to not understand the concept.

It was wild.

We already spoke on your opinions of your mind given as a judgment.  Which of course it is not.  

My favorite example of this was when on the ISF he kept posting a link to a photograph on Facebook supposedly proving he was God's wife.

Eventually Johanabrahams got in touch with the person whose image it was and they changed the security on the image to allow public viewing.

Thanks for the evidence that it was proven that I am indeed  God's Wife.  At that stage it was the only evidence i had to give.  But now there is a lot more of course. 

Now you might understand the problem of the religions with me.  Let me try.


At the time Jesus was on earth He was persecuted and killed by the "people of God". They knew God only as God and themselves as His "people".  But Jesus manifested God as their Father.  Where they could actually be now His Kids.   Born of Him and exactly God as He is.  For this "blasphemy" He was killed. 

Now the Children of God are happy to be His Children.  

And now the next phase in their growth is here.  To be Adults.  To be actually God's Wife.  And the same happens all over again.  The Children now say it is "blasphemy" for a Child to be an Adult.  So foolish.  Don't you agree?  How on God's earth can a Child never become an Adult.  And how can God be just happy with Children.  Forgetting about the more Fulfilling Relationship of actually having a Wife. 

Isaiah 54

5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.


And then the Family of God is actually in place.  Where the Children can now be born from a Mother.  Where She was previously absent.  And they got born of other "children".  Which could not take care of the Babies.  As Babies can make Babies but can not live up to the responsibility of having made them.    And they were given over to churches to misuse for the benefit of some.  And there you get the problem in the world now.  All the Babies fighting one another.  As Babies do.  Not realizing they have the same Parents.  Which will of course remedy the whole situation.  

Mark 10
30  But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

It was wild.

Many would like that. To enjoy the "wildness".  But the absence of links seems to be your problem.

[The Grand Nudger]

I suppose that the trouble with your beliefs, derived from above, is that they're an explicit lamentation on the fall of a kingdom. Likening the nations people to a wife rejected by her husband. The question being asked of god is simple and repeated elsewhere throughout magic book. Why god has forsaken them.

The narrator tells us that god tells them,...lol...that he only abandoned them for a little while, and would pull them back in. Further, that god did so in a surge of anger, hiding his face. That it made god feel like he'd returned to the days of noah, and that just as then, he feels bad and promises never to do it again. I particularly like this part of his ensuing promise.

Afflicted city, lashed by storms and not comforted, I will rebuild you with stones of turquoise, your foundations with lapis lazuli. I will make your battlements of rubies, your gates of sparkling jewels, and all your walls of precious stones. All your children will be taught by the LORD, and great will be their peace. In righteousness you will be established: Tyranny will be far from you; you will have nothing to fear. Terror will be far removed; it will not come near you. If anyone does attack you, it will not be my doing; whoever attacks you will surrender to you.

...but I'm sure he was talking about you, and your deeply interesting fixation on being someones literal wife, and a god.

[Johanabrahams]

I suppose that the trouble with your beliefs, derived from above, is that they're an explicit lamentation on the fall of a kingdom.  Likening the nations people to a wife rejected by her husband.  The question being asked of god is simple and repeated elsewhere throughout magic book.  Why god has forsaken them.  

The narrator tells us that god tells them,...lol...that he only abandoned them for a little while, and would pull them back in.  Further, that god did so in a surge of anger, hiding his face.  That it made god feel like he'd returned to the days of noah, and that just as then, he feels bad and promises never to do it again.  I particularly like this part of his ensuing promise.

Afflicted city, lashed by storms and not comforted, I will rebuild you with stones of turquoise, your foundations with lapis lazuli.  I will make your battlements of rubies, your gates of sparkling jewels, and all your walls of precious stones.  All your children will be taught by the LORD, and great will be their peace.  In righteousness you will be established: Tyranny will be far from you; you will have nothing to fear. Terror will be far removed; it will not come near you.  If anyone does attack you, it will not be my doing; whoever attacks you will surrender to you.

...but I'm sure he was talking about you, and your deeply interesting fixation on being someones literal wife, and a god.

I suppose that the trouble with your beliefs, derived from above, is that they're an explicit lamentation on the fall of a kingdom.  Likening the nations people to a wife rejected by her husband.  The question being asked of god is simple and repeated elsewhere throughout magic book.  Why god has forsaken them.  

The narrator tells us that god tells them,...lol...that he only abandoned them for a little while, and would pull them back in.  Further, that god did so in a surge of anger, hiding his face.  That it made god feel like he'd returned to the days of noah, and that just as then, he feels bad and promises never to do it again. 

This is the situation of mankind.  Being "rejected" by her husband.  Because mankind is not able to be the Wife.  They have to be created to be that.  But to be created to be that means a subjection to the Creator God to do it.  And mankind in their intellect and pride has the problem to accept this. 

Through all the ages up to now mankind has been drawn in by God.  To arrive at the moment where they can really allow God to do this.  To create for Himself the Perfect Wife.  Likened unto a "city".  Which is some symbolic way of helping mankind to understand what God actually has in mind for them.  

I particularly like this part of his ensuing promise.

...but I'm sure he was talking about you, and your deeply interesting fixation on being someones literal wife, and a god.

This is of course where we are now.  Where these words are accepted by the Adult Children of God what God wants to do with them and for them to be that City.  As it is not to God about having a "real city".  But a Wife.  As God can be satisfied with nothing less then creating everything that is symbolic said to be part of a "city" in His Wife.   And the Wife of God should also not settle for anything less.  Just allow the Creator God with all the Abilities in His Power to create This Magnificent Wife for Him.  As it is not about a "city".  But about the Person being that "city".  And this is the Child being transformed to be His Wife.  That "city" created from everything that is mentioned there. 

We are the symbolic the Light and the "city".

Mat. 5
14  Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

God will write on us the Name of His City.  

Revelation 3
 12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

This "city" is His Wife.

Rev. 21
 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And you will of course realize that I am not special. I have just given myself for this creation. To be the witness to all of God's Children what their future is as a Wife of God. As it is not just for me. But for everybody willing to venture into this situation. To allow God to create according to His Love a Masterpiece from everyone able to give Himself.

Jeremiah 18
3 Then I went down to the potter’s house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.*n1
4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.*n2*n3
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;

[The Grand Nudger]

You may think that there are comparisons to be made - that's your opinion.

It remains a fact that the author of the excerpts from magic book was not referring to you, or any single person. That the author did not believe and did not intend to convey any notion that you or anyone else were literal brides, or that anyone could become a god. He really was talking about a city, and a nation, as made plainly obvious in the text you would quote to justify your beliefs.

Beliefs which are flatly and inarguably antithetical to the religion, and the text, of magic book.

This isn't going to change your beliefs, or modify your opinion in any way, because they are not actually derived from anything you read in magic book. They're yours. Your own. You could always own them, rather than blaming them on some poor dead jew ripping his garments and gnashing his teeth in exile. He didn't turn you into a loon. You did that to yourself.

To dive all the way in, what is the purpose of twisting your scrotum into knots over these passages? Do you fear that, on your own word and authority, we may not believe you? Do you imagine that atheists are more likely to believe you if you quote magic book?