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Why is it so hard to reason with pro-lifers?
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“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” (Thomas Paine)
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
I like to think of then as anti-reasoners
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
 (October 6, 2020 at 8:46 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” (Thomas Paine) Hey wait, the atheist is the bad guy in this comparison, and the evangelist is the reasonable guy. That's screwed up! (October 7, 2020 at 12:37 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:(October 6, 2020 at 8:46 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” (Thomas Paine) No, it's the theists who can't be reasoned with.
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
Is this the right room for an argument?
 (October 5, 2020 at 7:10 am)Dingo Wrote: I mistakenly decided to discuss abortion with a pro-lifer. I only joined the discussion due to the fact they were spreading misinformation and literal propaganda. Apparently, this individual has done their "research" through Facebook memes, as well as pro-life documentaries. Which have both been proven to be riddled with falsehoods. I brought up instances of rape and also asked the individual if they would adopt these unwanted children people like them are forcing women to have.this is not a yes or no question. if you ever deal with kids in foster care you'd know not all want to be with you or be adopted by you. aside from racial issues and cultural differences there are personality components already hard drilled into most kids even very young children. I do mention racial components because in my experience white children are highly sought after and do not linger in the system long. and if you bring a child of a different race into your home he will always feel out of place. the question is can he deal with that or not. we have opened our home in the past to foster care and different programs to help children like BBoA. so the question is would you adopt. yes if the situation was tenible. no if it is not. Not all kids want to be your kid. Quote:However, instead of actually answering the question they did circles around the question and proceeded to accuse me of some of the most batshit things ever with no basis whatsoever. According to this individual, by posing this question I was advocating for the murder of adopted children. Like what in the actual fuck? Are these people insane? Anyways, since the discussion derailed I simply blocked the person. However, I went back to the discussion from another account I created a long long time ago to only see the other pro-life people were patting that individual on the back at apparently what a great job they did at defending the unborn. It was actually quite fascinating to observe. It was like a peacock strutting around as they had just won something, and the other peacocks strutting as well and licking their own assholes.well i'm your huckleberry sport. Quote:I find it discouraging this sort of behavior from pro-lifers seems to be encouraged instead of actually having a discussion. I also hope these people are just trolls or "bots". Because if these kinds of people actually exist in society, well good grief then. again like foster children, not all are the same. one tends to attract those on his personal level of understanding. meaning if all you can get are retards to talk to you then step up your own efforts. So why is it hard to reason with pro lifers? because you have lied to yourself by changing the name of a baby to fetus, you are not killing a baby. that in west virginia they are trying to make it legal to 'abort a post pregnancy fetus' (or full term born out of the womb baby.) they allow the woman upto 24 hours after birth to decide. if she decides to kill her child (infanticide in a non deluded community) the take it's cloths and blankets and put it in a cold dark room till it dies of exposure or starvation. There is no way for you to 'reason' with us to defend this act. it is murder.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...BIRTH.html (October 7, 2020 at 11:14 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:(October 7, 2020 at 12:37 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Hey wait, the atheist is the bad guy in this comparison, and the evangelist is the reasonable guy. That's screwed up! I have to disagree. Paine was an outspoken Deist. He was not an atheist, though some called him that. He believed that the existence of God was absolutely proven by the natural world. He was using atheists as a convenient irrational person for his quote. I have not found a single reference online that agrees with your interpretation. If you can find one, I'll look at it. (October 8, 2020 at 11:07 am)HappySkeptic Wrote:(October 7, 2020 at 11:14 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: No, it's the theists who can't be reasoned with. Well, while he wasn't an atheist, Paine certainly wasn't an evangelist. After reading The Age of Reason a few times and some of his other essays, I'd have to disagree with you. He considered Christian fundamentalists to be blockheads who couldn't be reasoned with and I agree with him that you certainly can't convert atheists by quoting the Bible at them. https://www.learnreligions.com/top-thoma...on-4072775
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
RE: Why is it so hard to reason with pro-lifers?
October 9, 2020 at 7:34 am
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2020 at 7:35 am by Abaddon_ire.)
(October 8, 2020 at 10:57 am)Drich Wrote: this is not a yes or no question. if you ever deal with kids in foster care you'd know not all want to be with you or be adopted by you. aside from racial issues and cultural differences there are personality components already hard drilled into most kids even very young children. I do mention racial components because in my experience white children are highly sought after and do not linger in the system long. and if you bring a child of a different race into your home he will always feel out of place. the question is can he deal with that or not. we have opened our home in the past to foster care and different programs to help children like BBoA. so the question is would you adopt. yes if the situation was tenible. no if it is not. Not all kids want to be your kid. So unborn children are sometimes in foster care? That is an insane view. RE: Why is it so hard to reason with pro-lifers?
October 9, 2020 at 11:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2020 at 11:18 am by HappySkeptic.)
(October 9, 2020 at 6:43 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Well, while he wasn't an atheist, Paine certainly wasn't an evangelist. After reading The Age of Reason a few times and some of his other essays, I'd have to disagree with you. He considered Christian fundamentalists to be blockheads who couldn't be reasoned with and I agree with him that you certainly can't convert atheists by quoting the Bible at them. True, given The Age of Reason, it doesn't make sense that Paine would paint an evangelist as the reasonable person, but I know English. There is no interpretation of English that doesn't make the atheist the dead one, devoid of reason. That's why a lot of people leave off that part of the quote. |
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