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Why is it so hard to reason with pro-lifers?
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“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” (Thomas Paine)
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
I like to think of then as anti-reasoners
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
 (October 6, 2020 at 8:46 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” (Thomas Paine) Hey wait, the atheist is the bad guy in this comparison, and the evangelist is the reasonable guy. That's screwed up! (October 7, 2020 at 12:37 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:(October 6, 2020 at 8:46 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” (Thomas Paine) No, it's the theists who can't be reasoned with.
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
Is this the right room for an argument?
 (October 7, 2020 at 11:14 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:(October 7, 2020 at 12:37 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Hey wait, the atheist is the bad guy in this comparison, and the evangelist is the reasonable guy. That's screwed up! I have to disagree. Paine was an outspoken Deist. He was not an atheist, though some called him that. He believed that the existence of God was absolutely proven by the natural world. He was using atheists as a convenient irrational person for his quote. I have not found a single reference online that agrees with your interpretation. If you can find one, I'll look at it.
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
RE: Why is it so hard to reason with pro-lifers?
October 9, 2020 at 7:34 am
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2020 at 7:35 am by Abaddon_ire.)
(October 8, 2020 at 10:57 am)Drich Wrote: this is not a yes or no question. if you ever deal with kids in foster care you'd know not all want to be with you or be adopted by you. aside from racial issues and cultural differences there are personality components already hard drilled into most kids even very young children. I do mention racial components because in my experience white children are highly sought after and do not linger in the system long. and if you bring a child of a different race into your home he will always feel out of place. the question is can he deal with that or not. we have opened our home in the past to foster care and different programs to help children like BBoA. so the question is would you adopt. yes if the situation was tenible. no if it is not. Not all kids want to be your kid. So unborn children are sometimes in foster care? That is an insane view. RE: Why is it so hard to reason with pro-lifers?
October 9, 2020 at 11:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2020 at 11:18 am by HappySkeptic.)
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