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A very clever alien..
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RE: A very clever alien..
(November 12, 2020 at 7:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Hi there,

Stop the silly stuff you're doing there. Just imagine some extremely high IQ alien, for whom QM and relativity are kindergarten stuff. This clever alien was able to figure out all our major advances in mathematics instantly. For our alien, following arguments and deducing things is a piece of cake. Earlier today, the alien announced that he reached the absolute best explanation of all observable phenomena in the universe, he even proved that his Theory of Everything cannot be improved any further.

Our same alien asked his wife this night to make dinner for him, as his research work is taking all of his waking time. She wasn't there when he returned home. Feeling completely exhausted, he fell asleep for some minutes, woke up and went for his long-awaited meal.

It appears one of his two kids mercilessly swallowed it. After he confronted them, they simply said : any formal proof that we ate your dinner, sir ? He thought long and hard and couldn't come up with any conclusive proof, that one (or two?) of his kids, as a personal, intelligent agent, went on and devoured his dinner. He just kept asking himself, banging his head, his deduction machine, really hard against the wall : what's wrong with me? I know that these bastards are the possible explanation for my meal's sudden disappearence.. But they're pressing me for some hardcore syllogism with them in the conclusion..? Did these fools really outsmart me ?

Can any atheist here help the alien, and back his kids into a corner?
That was brutal. Of course you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the kids ate his meal if they were up for a good, old-fashioned upper GI series and some simple DNA testing from the empty dish. I’m not sure how syllogisms come into this at all. If you don’t think evidence should be required in order to believe in a god, just come out and say so, because this was just...terrible.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#62
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 13, 2020 at 2:48 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(November 13, 2020 at 2:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Easy.

The alien doesn't exist and is just part of the childrens' imagination because they can't get over the fact that their existence is finite.

This fact scares them and they seek validation for their existence through fantasy.

Oh. And you think you got over the fact that your existence is finite ? The denial of death is a subconscious process and it doesn't help if you are an atheist. We just replaced this subsconscious process by belief in a deity, for good reasons -which are, by the way, equivalent to reasons for believing in any external truth. I am referring to Plantinga's God and other Minds here.

And, before you start prentending to have some mental strength we know from psychology nobody can possibly have, I have another book recommendation for you : read the Denial of death by Ernest Becker, it's a good book.

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Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#63
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 12, 2020 at 8:17 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(November 12, 2020 at 8:15 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: So he will simply make shit up as he goes along to negate any evidence. Lol, you can disprove anything when you can simply make things up to change scenarios on the fly.

I don't care. The alien father is a deduction machine. You atheists should find your way out of this mess with deduction only.

This doesn't seem to be a job for a deduction machine. Not everything is deducible. This is a problem that can only be resolved empirically. If there is no evidence one way or the other, it's unanswerable by anyone by any method short of highly speculative ones like postcognition.

I'm curious, why do you demand that an inductive problem only be resolved deductively?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#64
RE: A very clever alien..
What mess? It wasn't my dinner. It sounds like it's our super smert alien that has an unresolvable dilemma.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#65
RE: A very clever alien..
You're saying you love when rockets dock in your moon base, kloroform?
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#66
RE: A very clever alien..
If the alien is all that clever, he would have on hand his patented Truth-O-Meter to tell if the kids are lying. 

Next silly hypothetical, please.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#67
RE: A very clever alien..
Searching for a reason to care.
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#68
RE: A very clever alien..
It would have to be a dinner that had a personal interest in being eaten by that person, and had magical powers to present itself as such to the person it wanted to be eaten by to be comparable !!

(November 19, 2020 at 2:00 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Searching for a reason to care.

That ^
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
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#69
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 13, 2020 at 2:48 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: [quote='The Valkyrie' pid='2009280' dateline='1605292923']
Easy.

The alien doesn't exist and is just part of the childrens' imagination because they can't get over the fact that their existence is finite.

This fact scares them and they seek validation for their existence through fantasy.

Oh. And you think you got over the fact that your existence is finite ? [/quote] Well yes. I am going to die and there will be no more "me". It's why I made a will, duh.

(November 13, 2020 at 2:48 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: The denial of death is a subconscious process and it doesn't help if you are an atheist.
Quote:False. I don't deny death at all. I am going to die. I also know your magic dickhead will not show up (quelle surprise) You are fleat out lying in this.

[quote='Klorophyll' pid='2009282' dateline='1605293328']We just replaced this subsconscious process by belief in a deity,
Prehaps you did, but nobody cares about your fevered imaginings.

[quote='Klorophyll' pid='2009282' dateline='1605293328'] for good reasons -which are, by the way, equivalent to reasons for believing in any external truth. I am referring to Plantinga's God and other Minds here.
Ooo then you have some evidence for a god. Let me guess. You don't.

(November 13, 2020 at 2:48 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: And, before you start prentending to have some mental strength we know from psychology nobody can possibly have, I have another book recommendation for you : read the Denial of death by Ernest Becker, it's a good book.
Why? I am going to die, you are going to die, everyone is going to die. Where is the denial?
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#70
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 12, 2020 at 7:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Hi there,

Stop the silly stuff you're doing there. Just imagine some extremely high IQ alien, for whom QM and relativity are kindergarten stuff. This clever alien was able to figure out all our major advances in mathematics instantly. For our alien, following arguments and deducing things is a piece of cake. Earlier today, the alien announced that he reached the absolute best explanation of all observable phenomena in the universe, he even proved that his Theory of Everything cannot be improved any further.

Our same alien asked his wife this night to make dinner for him, as his research work is taking all of his waking time. She wasn't there when he returned home. Feeling completely exhausted, he fell asleep for some minutes, woke up and went for his long-awaited meal.

It appears one of his two kids mercilessly swallowed it. After he confronted them, they simply said : any formal proof that we ate your dinner, sir ? He thought long and hard and couldn't come up with any conclusive proof, that one (or two?) of his kids, as a personal, intelligent agent, went on and devoured his dinner. He just kept asking himself, banging his head, his deduction machine, really hard against the wall : what's wrong with me? I know that these bastards are the possible explanation for my meal's sudden disappearence.. But they're pressing me for some hardcore syllogism with them in the conclusion..? Did these fools really outsmart me ?

Can any atheist here help the alien, and back his kids into a corner?

The answer is simple, check their breath and look for signs of the pieces of dinner in their mouths. Farts also smells like food naturally. There are many different things the alien could try, such as check of signs. and clues. The alien could ask his wife who made him the dinner about the kids, she might have gave the dinner to one of the children. He could also see or remember what kind of foods the kids like to eat, and if they have any allergies. 
By the way the theory of everything can keep going on. I and the bible believe in progressive intelligence, i do not believe in evolution, things tend to mix or develop someway, this works with some animals, etc but it does not apply to humans evolving from apes. Animals can evolve through circumstances, did you know that the shape of a child's head can naturally be different from another due to how they come out of the mothers vagina. One person sees a big head in his back garden, and thinks it was an ancestor, giants existed long ago according to both science and scripture.
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