Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

[The Grand Nudger]

-and yet you believe the fairy tales they created and promoted.  Good for you.

sorry sport no. we have the much earlier works/written record of the greeks. 

Another fantasy.  Everything in new magic book was written and compiled between the first and fourth centuries ad.  You have no "earlier written works"....by anyone - because there were no christians.  It was, as a point of historical fact no matter how much shame you have for your religions catholic roots, the rcc that produced the myths that protestants still, to this day, believe. Ungrateful bunch of pricks, if you ask me.

Just imagine if paul™ hadn't realized he could make a killing if he focused on the audience with the cash to spare? You'd be here babbling about the great god mars or some other such horseshit.

[Drich]

[Jackie]

Jesus supposedly suffered for our sins. Victims of sinners suffer from the same sins that Jesus already suffered for. The sinner is often unrepentant, feels no guilt and doesn't suffer. So what's the point of Jesus' suffering if the victim also suffers but not the sinner?

Why wasn't someone sent to take on the suffering of the victims? That would be nice. It seems though that the victims have to suffer for sins that Jesus already suffered for. It's like the sin is double dipping.

I remember reading about Polly Klass years ago. She was a 12 year old girl who was kidnapped from her house while she was having a slumber party. Richard Allen Davis, who had been in and out of jail several times, broke into her house at night and kidnapped, abused and murdered her. Polly and her family suffered greatly for what he did. He is still alive and unrepentant in jail.

If Jesus already suffered for what Davis did, why did poor Poly also have to suffer? Why didn't Jesus suffer for Polly? The only person who didn't suffer was Davis. He probably regrets being in jail but not what he did to Polly. If he has a chance to repent in the next life, why did Poly and her family have to pay the price when Jesus already took care of it. Makes no sense.

A hero will throw him/herself in front of a bullet for a friend. The hero suffers a bullet wound but the friend is saved. Only one person is hurt.

Jesus took a bullet for us all but we are still shot and suffer from the same bullet. Jesus suffered and we suffer. What's the point of all the suffering? So the shooter can go to heaven? What about the victims? Who suffers for them?

Discussing the flawed logic of any holy writing in human history worldwide is like arguing plot holes in Hollywood movies.

Humans make shit up. The only difference beween the world's holy writings of any religion, and Hollywood movies, is that entertainment is accepted as such, and religion is fantasy falsely argued as fact even to a polictical scale. 

Give any religious follower of any religion  the time, they will always make the argument for excuses for fucking up or being the real victim. 

The real argument is that our species is flawed, and religion has nothing to do with that reality. There are always points where one can say "I made a mistake" and other times they will falsely play victim. There is not one individual, not one group, not one label in our species history that can't fall for flawed logic. 
Luke and Obi Wan forgiving Anikan at the end of  "Retern Of The Jedi" is an appealing motif of forgiveness. But most sane people I know in reality would not forgive Hitler, and rightfully so. So how is it Darth/Anikan works in a mere movie? How is it the God of the Bible gets away with condoning the infanticide of the firstborn Egyptians males, and the genocide of the flood? 

I've long since found arguments,  such as yours, in the OP superfluous. There is not one religion in the world, that does not have memebers that claim a patent on human morality, but yet at the same time, there is also not one nation on the face of the planet, that does not have both hospitals or prisons.

[Angrboda]

again the bible is a map. people follow it and literally in this life time find God. that is why people follow this bible. and before you lie and say other people of other religions do the same... there is a problem with that. in that according to their holy books they being regular people can't. even in the RC church God does not speak to people one on one. only the pope can have an audience with God. Muslims and jews are the same but only a high prophet or priest have direct access to God. so if anyone from another religion says their religion sat them before God they are claiming to be a prophet by their own religious standards. Only the Holy Bible and the God of the holy bible grant you an audience with God.

You've been corrected on this several times. Either you've got some condition which makes you forget, or you're just a stupid liar.

[Jackie]

again the bible is a map. people follow it and literally in this life time find God. that is why people follow this bible. and before you lie and say other people of other religions do the same... there is a problem with that. in that according to their holy books they being regular people can't. even in the RC church God does not speak to people one on one. only the pope can have an audience with God. Muslims and jews are the same but only a high prophet or priest have direct access to God. so if anyone from another religion says their religion sat them before God they are claiming to be a prophet by their own religious standards. Only the Holy Bible and the God of the holy bible grant you an audience with God.

You've been corrected on this several times.  Either you've got some condition which makes you forget, or you're just a stupid liar.

No kidding. The game "Monopoly" has rules, or a "map" too. But it hardly represents economics in a global reality.

[The Grand Nudger]

Another fantasy.  Everything in new magic book was written and compiled between the first and fourth centuries ad.  You have no "earlier written works"....by anyone - because there were no christians.  It was, as a point of historical fact no matter how much shame you have for your religions catholic roots, the rcc that produced the myths that protestants still, to this day, believe.  Ungrateful bunch of pricks, if you ask me.  

Just imagine if paul™ hadn't realized he could make a killing if he focused on the audience with the cash to spare?  You'd be here babbling about the great god mars or some other such horseshit.

 the vulgate that is being used (and changed currently in the RC church) was compiled in the 16th century.... by your own admission the koine greek bible which our 'protestant bibles' are a direct contextual translation of are from those 1st to 3rd translations yu mentioned. so yeah that 1300 years older than the current addition of the vulgate.

Yeah, as we all know, the rcc was founded in 1600ad.  You're the singlemost unserious christian I've ever had the misfortune to stumble across. You do the religion a disservice, and that takes effort. I've never been able to understand what it is that compels a person to bullshit other people about something they take to be sacred.

[Drich]

again the bible is a map. people follow it and literally in this life time find God. that is why people follow this bible. and before you lie and say other people of other religions do the same... there is a problem with that. in that according to their holy books they being regular people can't. even in the RC church God does not speak to people one on one. only the pope can have an audience with God. Muslims and jews are the same but only a high prophet or priest have direct access to God. so if anyone from another religion says their religion sat them before God they are claiming to be a prophet by their own religious standards. Only the Holy Bible and the God of the holy bible grant you an audience with God.

You've been corrected on this several times.  Either you've got some condition which makes you forget, or you're just a stupid liar.

sweetheart a correction without proper citation is not a correction why cant you understand that?

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You've been corrected on this several times.  Either you've got some condition which makes you forget, or you're just a stupid liar.

No kidding. The game "Monopoly" has rules, or a "map" too. But it hardly represents economics in a global reality.

see ang-r.. i'm sure you think this a correction as it poo poos on what i said. this is not a correction but mere negative commentary as it does not factually/truthfully position to refute anything i said.. just an observation about monopoly and current economics. which has nothing to contextually do with the subject or my content. again this is why so many of you can 'refute' everything i say several times and i just keep going with the points i've made.

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 the vulgate that is being used (and changed currently in the RC church) was compiled in the 16th century.... by your own admission the koine greek bible which our 'protestant bibles' are a direct contextual translation of are from those 1st to 3rd translations yu mentioned. so yeah that 1300 years older than the current addition of the vulgate.

Yeah, as we all know, the rcc was founded in 1600ad.    You're the singlemost unserious christian I've ever had the misfortune to stumble across.  You do the religion a disservice, and that takes effort.  I've never been able to understand what it is that compels a person to bullshit other people about something they take to be sacred.

it's called the bible sport. what i do is modeled by christ himself. Christ shat on the religion of his day, to the point where they killed them. The reason he can do this is because there is a great divide in the mind's eye of God between heart centered worship of him and religion. God hates religion. Paul also modeled this behavior. read the book of galatians basically called everyone in that church a fool for falling into mindless religious practice. What i identify is religiously supported material/doctrine that is not biblically modeled or supported. and take that apart. like praying to saints. when jesus himself says only pray to God. or when they say saturday is the only day to worship or you should take sunday off. I point to the passage that says one may treat one day more holy than another, some may worship a moon festival one may not one may worship the sabbath another treat everyday like the sabbath, what ever you do do it to god. all of these things change in the vulgate that again doesn't get put into circulation till the 1600s. so there is 1500 years of worship prior and all the protestant worship after ( several hundred years) that people maintain and worship scrip[ture as our oldest manuscripts allow, yet you tout me for my worship because it differs from a few hundred years of religion created by the dark ages church. That i am not a serious christian because i do not kneel at an alter that you yourself have determined there is no God? why would someone serious and truthful to themselves worship a god that is completely or near absent?

[Angrboda]

You've been corrected on this several times.  Either you've got some condition which makes you forget, or you're just a stupid liar.

sweetheart a correction without proper citation is not a correction why cant you understand that?

No citation is needed when testifying to what I've personally witnessed. Or for things that are common knowledge. Where's your citation saying that I need a citation? Huh, dumbass?

All these cutesy epithets alongside such moronic drivel just makes you look even more stupid.

This nonsense about the lack of citation is just you trying to cover your ass. It's made up. It's just your usual pulling shit out of your ass.

So which is it, do you have a condition which makes you forget, or are you just a stupid liar?

Or are you just going to silently crawl away like you do every time I show you being stupid?

[Drich]

[Angrboda]