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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 4:42 pm
And the main thing you could have learned is that you were wrong, and that even when you find someone willing to stake that claim, you're ill equipped to respond.
But you didn't learn anything, did you. To you, this is just another example, in your twenty years of examples, of why you got ostracized for some shit you didn't know.
Chefs kiss.
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 4:45 pm
(June 25, 2021 at 4:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: And the main thing you could have learned is that you were wrong, and that even when you find someone willing to stake that claim, you're ill equipped to respond.
But you didn't learn anything, did you. To you, this is just another example, in your twenty years of examples, of why you got ostracized for some shit you didn't know.
Chefs kiss.
I am not wrong...and you know it.
What about you, Nudger? Do you believe there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one?
C'mon. Be truthful. Do you?
If you use "atheist" as a descriptor (or part of a descriptor) it is almost certain that you do.
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:00 pm
I agree with OP. Nobody is agnostic, I guess Zeus definitely doesn't exist even though I have no rigorous proof for this. Those who call themselves agnostic are dishonest, as I proved in my thread here
https://atheistforums.org/thread-60457.html
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:00 pm
(June 25, 2021 at 4:45 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: *Posted stuff*
Hi Frank.
I've been following along with this thread for a while.
I think I even posted my ideas/position.
So, might I ask you what/how you identify yourself as/with?
Cheers.
Not at work.
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:09 pm
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(June 25, 2021 at 4:45 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: (June 25, 2021 at 4:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: And the main thing you could have learned is that you were wrong, and that even when you find someone willing to stake that claim, you're ill equipped to respond.
But you didn't learn anything, did you. To you, this is just another example, in your twenty years of examples, of why you got ostracized for some shit you didn't know.
Chefs kiss.
I am not wrong...and you know it.
What about you, Nudger? Do you believe there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one?
C'mon. Be truthful. Do you?
If you use "atheist" as a descriptor (or part of a descriptor) it is almost certain that you do.
Personally, in my own life, I don't. From long experience with the members of these boards, I recognize that I hold positions which are not consequences of atheism..and, when asked about religious shit, I tend to respond with a comment that assumes the ghost is true and explains why I don't give a shit if so.
So, here we are, yet again, with an oppurtinity to discuss the thing you thought atheism was...and I;m still wondering the same things I was when we began, many pages ago. Do you have anything to say about that? Can you specify exactly how I might be unreasonable for accepting a claim as knowledge which is equivalent to the claim on my own name? Stop imagining that I secretly know that you're right...that's childish. Accept that I genuinely think that you are wrong - because both of us have already agreed to the existence of facts, and that means that at least one of us is wrong, here.
From there....what....?
I think I've given you a pretty good example to discuss. Based on propositions which appear to be sound, arranged in a valid form of argumentation, I have concluded that gods do not exist. I take this to be a matter of fact. Go.
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:09 pm
(June 25, 2021 at 3:45 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: (June 25, 2021 at 3:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: So, you have no beliefs? You live your live according to a series of blind guesses? Also, you just said in post #66 above that belief and guess aren’t synonymous. So, how are they different? Keep going.
Correct, I have no beliefs. I do make guesses, which I call guesses. I also make estimates, which I call estimates.
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:28 pm
(June 25, 2021 at 5:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (June 25, 2021 at 4:45 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: I am not wrong...and you know it.
What about you, Nudger? Do you believe there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one?
C'mon. Be truthful. Do you?
If you use "atheist" as a descriptor (or part of a descriptor) it is almost certain that you do.
Personally, in my own life, I don't. From long experience with the members of these boards, I recognize that I hold positions which are not consequences of atheism..and, when asked about religious shit, I tend to respond with a comment that assumes the ghost is true and explains why I don't give a shit if so.
So, here we are, yet again, with an oppurtinity to discuss the thing you thought atheism was...and I;m still wondering the same things I was when we began, many pages ago. Do you have anything to say about that? Can you specify exactly how I might be unreasonable for accepting a claim as knowledge which is equivalent to the claim on my own name? Stop imagining that I secretly know that you're right...that's childish. Accept that I genuinely think that you are wrong - because both of us have already agreed to the existence of facts, and that means that at least one of us is wrong, here.
From there....what....?
I think I've given you a pretty good example to discuss. Based on propositions which appear to be sound, arranged in a valid form of argumentation, I have concluded that gods do not exist. I take this to be a matter of fact. Go. Okay...so you are saying that you do not uses "atheist" as a descriptor...or part of a descriptor.
Then you are not part of what I have been talking about. If you had said that you use the descriptor "atheist"...would you have me accept that you are doing so because of a (questionable) dictionary definition...NOT because you have concluded there are no gods????
C'mon.
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:29 pm
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I hardly matter anymore. Kloro just informed us that you don't exist. He knows that I do, but affirmatively claims that you do not. Discuss.
Are you really an agnostic, is that really a thing? I don't believe you. Let's start easy. Is there one god, and is mohammed his prophet?
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:33 pm
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(June 25, 2021 at 5:00 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I agree with OP. Nobody is agnostic, I guess Zeus definitely doesn't exist even though I have no rigorous proof for this. Those who call themselves agnostic are dishonest, as I proved in my thread here
https://atheistforums.org/thread-60457.html
I’m agnostic. But please, tell me all about myself.
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RE: A question about atheistic “beliefs” (opinions, guesses, etc.)
June 25, 2021 at 5:39 pm
(June 25, 2021 at 5:33 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (June 25, 2021 at 5:00 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I agree with OP. Nobody is agnostic, I guess Zeus definitely doesn't exist even though I have no rigorous proof for this. Those who call themselves agnostic are dishonest, as I proved in my thread here
https://atheistforums.org/thread-60457.html
I’m agnostic.
You're not. I know that you know Zeus doesn't exist. This makes you a strong atheist towards Zeus, for example.
(June 25, 2021 at 5:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I hardly matter anymore. Kloro just informed us that you don't exist. He knows that I do, but affirmatively claims that you do not. Discuss.
Are you really an agnostic, is that really a thing? I don't believe you. Let's start easy. Is there one god, and is mohammed his prophet?
This is true, there can't be a person named Frank who is really agnostic, who honestly thinks that Zeus may or may not exist. And if Frank is not agnostic towards Zeus, he is not agnostic. QED
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