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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 1:44 pm
(July 14, 2021 at 1:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 14, 2021 at 1:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: YES IT IS.
Volume is exactly why the right keeps getting away with the bullshit they do.
"If everyone would" is the common bullshit argument. "If they would just do this, or do that" "If everyone would just do this or that".
If more guns made America safer, then why is it, among allies whom ALSO ALLOW firearms, have the highest rate of firearm violence related death?
Firearm related deaths - as a percentage of population - haven’t increased in 50 years.
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So you are arguing America, out of all of our allies has the lowest ratio of firearm deaths of all first world nations?
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 1:49 pm
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There’s a connection between volume of sale and gun violence, but it’s delayed and tertiary. More guns does mean that in 4 to 7 years time, especially if there are even more new models at that time, the secondary market is flooded and gun crime has a relatively cheap buy in. Thing is, there always has been and always will be some portion of used firearms available at a decent price from unscrupulous but otherwise legal primary buyers.
Monitoring or capping sales -could- have an effect, but the effect would be small, and at great economic and political cost. Gun manufacturers and gun lobbies frankly wouldn’t even care if we limited volume domestically so long as we removed those pesky international sales guardrails and limits ( that ironically do exist…in context). *
It’s a finishing touch, at best, and something worth sinking our time into if and when we’ve shored up more direct and efficacious plans.
*and just to drive this home, manufacturing lobbies have been consistently -for- gun safety laws and stronger enforcement,…domestically. The culture war giving them cover to work toward the real prize, our genuine distinction in the world of guns. Unlimited international arms sales.
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 2:02 pm
(July 14, 2021 at 1:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (July 14, 2021 at 1:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Firearm related deaths - as a percentage of population - haven’t increased in 50 years.
Boru
So you are arguing America, out of all of our allies has the lowest ratio of firearm deaths of all first world nations?
Nope. You have absolutely the highest. But your problem is gun culture, not gun volume.
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 2:06 pm
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I’d say gun politics. Our gun culture is the reason that we’re not in an actual war zone despite more guns than most warzones.
I get that to a person looking outside in that our gun politics seems like our gun culture- but I’m talking more about how those of us from gun families are taught to handle and conceive of guns.
If you keep a chainsaw in a case but your ar loaded on the living room shelf, American gun culture failed to install its values in you.
I worry more about some kid in a city apartment buying a desert eagle than a redneck getting another rifle, personally- because culture.
- and yes, yes , I know that the people with shit gun politics seem to be well represented by the cohort you can expect to have come from gun culture.. but that just makes it worse, IMO.
Those boys know better.
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 4:39 pm
I don’t care if u personally have 5 or 500 firearms, as long as u r a responsible gun owner. I do care if u r irresponsible and one of ur guns ends up in the hands of a school shooter or used in a homicide. I agree with GN that it’s more about the politics, less about availability ( even though it does play a small part). So I guess I’m an advocate for a nationwide DB of guns and their owners and seizure of any non-trackable and illegal guns as a start. Followed by stricter punishment for bad actors. Not that I think any of that would fly
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 4:56 pm
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It’s funny that it won’t fly, at least to me, since it wouldnt get in the way of my purchasing and owning a closet full of guns that spans 7 decades.
Who the fuck is worried about their guns? What the fuck are they doing with their guns….?
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 5:03 pm
(July 14, 2021 at 4:39 pm)tackattack Wrote: I don’t care if u personally have 5 or 500 firearms, as long as u r a responsible gun owner. I do care if u r irresponsible and one of ur guns ends up in the hands of a school shooter or used in a homicide. I agree with GN that it’s more about the politics, less about availability ( even though it does play a small part). So I guess I’m an advocate for a nationwide DB of guns and their owners and seizure of any non-trackable and illegal guns as a start. Followed by stricter punishment for bad actors. Not that I think any of that would fly
Nothing like targeting the law abiding citizens.....
You REALLY think the criminals will line up to register theirs?
And what is " non trackable"? How can the ability to " track" guns reduce firearm violence?
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 5:21 pm
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No , not law abiding... targeting all people, even non citizens. By non trackable, no serials etc.
It be great if a politician came out and said “ yup, we are coming to get your guns, if you can’t handle legally owning them”
So if ur gun was stolen and u filed a police report and it’s used in a crime u r covered during the investigation. If u failed to report then your @ I can own guns responsibility” car and all ur guns are pulled
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 5:30 pm
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Olb’s idea of law abiding includes people who break the laws…on account of how he disagrees with the existence of gun law.
This is known.
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RE: Man Arrested for owning guns.
July 14, 2021 at 5:45 pm
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(July 14, 2021 at 5:21 pm)tackattack Wrote: No , not law abiding... targeting all people, even non citizens. By non trackable, no serials etc.
It be great if a politician came out and said “ yup, we are coming to get your guns, if you can’t handle legally owning them”
So if ur gun was stolen and u filed a police report and it’s used in a crime u r covered during the investigation. If u failed to report then your @ I can own guns responsibility” car and all ur guns are pulled You have not answered the question.
How would the ability to " track" a gun prevent gun violence?
What exactly do you think the ability to " track" a gun would have?
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If a cop has a gun that was used by someone in a crime - you know who had it when the crime was committed - and you know who manufactured it - WITHOUT serial numbers.
Where it was between the time of it' s original sale and it' s illegal use is superfluous. If the gun is over 20nyears old ( the vast majority are) it is impossible to even know who it was originally sold to.
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