President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants

[Brian37]

Completely unsurprising.  The last admin he was a part of was also a raging dumpster fire on the issue.

No no your not following the script. You're supposed to uncritically defend Biden otherwise the "party faithful"  and the "both sides are just as bad" theory falls apart and Debbies feelings will be hurt

It isn't a matter of defending Biden, it is a matter of accepting we don't live in a utopia.

If anyone thinks Trump would do better, they are out of their minds.

Now, if anyone has a better solution, I am all ears.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, shame on Mr. Biden, then. This is very disappointing news.

Boru

Why? It is not an either/or thing for me. I can completely understand, be it Afghani or Haitian migrants wanting to escape oppression and starvation. And I hate the GOP's blanket attitude of "fuck the outsider". But the truth is we simply cannot process everyone that wants to come here at the volume they do come here. 

Biden does not have a zero tolerance attitude like the GOP does. It is a matter of math and priorities. They are still giving priority to the most vulnerable. There is no utopia in all this. If I had my way I'd welcome everyone. But the volume, math and funding simply isn't there to match the pace of demand. 

Trump vilifies anyone who wants to come here regardless of their reasons. Biden is simply looking at what he can and cannot do. 

It is no different than prioritizing a ship at sea and prioritizing the life boats. Ugly under any circumstances. But what Biden is doing isn't bigoted or racist. If Trump were president, nobody whom isn't a white Republican would get in. Biden is allowing both Haitians and Afghanis to apply for refuge. But just like a glass, it can only hold so much water. 

Our system unfortunately isn't set up to process the volume at a practical rate to give everyone what they want. If you want to blame anyone for that, blame the GOP for putting billionaires above humanity.

You CAN process them. You CAN afford to do so. Don’t be so fucking naive. 

While Biden may not be a racist, he’s still doing precisely what Trump did - sacrificing refugees for political expediency. Shame on him for doing it and shame on you for defending it.

Boru

[Brian37]

I might add, if big oil had not been lying to humanity for the past century, we wouldn't be dealing with climate refugees.

[Mermaid]

Well since you seem to know what everyone's thinking, why don't you just say it yourself?

I am incapable of twisting logic like the party faithful can. (Both sides)

that's kind of funny because it sure seemed that you did by posting this thread. 

If you think faithful Democrats all love Biden, you think wrong. You can start there.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, I'm not a dem, and I can't bring myself to be a fucking traitor..so nothing I have to say on the matter reflects any party disputes or bothsides nonsense.

As far as utopia, we don't have to live in a utopia to do immigration better.  We used to do immigration better.  We decided to be fuckups here on purpose, Brian. To our own detriment, as well as theirs..no less..and everyone who's made that call knew that when they decided to go full on batshit...too.

[Brian37]

Why? It is not an either/or thing for me. I can completely understand, be it Afghani or Haitian migrants wanting to escape oppression and starvation. And I hate the GOP's blanket attitude of "fuck the outsider". But the truth is we simply cannot process everyone that wants to come here at the volume they do come here. 

Biden does not have a zero tolerance attitude like the GOP does. It is a matter of math and priorities. They are still giving priority to the most vulnerable. There is no utopia in all this. If I had my way I'd welcome everyone. But the volume, math and funding simply isn't there to match the pace of demand. 

Trump vilifies anyone who wants to come here regardless of their reasons. Biden is simply looking at what he can and cannot do. 

It is no different than prioritizing a ship at sea and prioritizing the life boats. Ugly under any circumstances. But what Biden is doing isn't bigoted or racist. If Trump were president, nobody whom isn't a white Republican would get in. Biden is allowing both Haitians and Afghanis to apply for refuge. But just like a glass, it can only hold so much water. 

Our system unfortunately isn't set up to process the volume at a practical rate to give everyone what they want. If you want to blame anyone for that, blame the GOP for putting billionaires above humanity.

You CAN process them. You CAN afford to do so. Don’t be so fucking naive. 

While Biden may not be a racist, he’s still doing precisely what Trump did - sacrificing refugees for political expediency. Shame on him for doing it and shame on you for defending it.

Boru

I am NOT disagreeing with you! But who is to blame for that lack of budget? If Jeff Bezos, or billionaires in general for the past 40 years cared more about humanity than their tax breaks WE COULD AFFORD WHAT YOU SAY.

But do not argue that both parties are the same.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You CAN process them. You CAN afford to do so. Don’t be so fucking naive. 

While Biden may not be a racist, he’s still doing precisely what Trump did - sacrificing refugees for political expediency. Shame on him for doing it and shame on you for defending it.

Boru

I am NOT disagreeing with you! But who is to blame for that lack of budget? If Jeff Bezos, or billionaires in general for the past 40 years cared more about humanity than their tax breaks WE COULD AFFORD WHAT YOU SAY.

You can afford it right now. Didn’t you read what I wrote?

Boru

[Brian37]

Well, I'm not a dem, and I can't bring myself to be a fucking traitor..so nothing I have to say on the matter reflects any party disputes or bothsides nonsense.

As far as utopia, we don't have to live in a utopia to do immigration better.  We used to do immigration better.  We decided to be fuckups here on purpose, Brian.

If you want to argue that Democrats need to take the gloves off, I can go with that. But regarding intent and value of process, Democrats in general try to work within the system. The GOP has been shitting on the the middle and working class for 40 years. 

Globally, even outside America, and regardless of class or nation, the world's billionaires have been abusing the planet. So this isn't just about America.

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I am NOT disagreeing with you! But who is to blame for that lack of budget? If Jeff Bezos, or billionaires in general for the past 40 years cared more about humanity than their tax breaks WE COULD AFFORD WHAT YOU SAY.

You can afford it right now. Didn’t you read what I wrote?

Boru

Again, not disagreeing with you. WE CAN. If dick shaped rocket assholes can afford to show off in space, they can afford to pay more in taxes. But that is not the fault of Democrats. 

Biden has his hands tied. What he needs, is more support from our majority. But the GOP, the minority increasingly makes it harder on the sane to make that happen.

[The Grand Nudger]

Dems have taken the gloves off...to mandhandle immigrants. What aren't you getting about this?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, I'm not a dem, and I can't bring myself to be a fucking traitor..so nothing I have to say on the matter reflects any party disputes or bothsides nonsense.

As far as utopia, we don't have to live in a utopia to do immigration better.  We used to do immigration better.  We decided to be fuckups here on purpose, Brian.

If you want to argue that Democrats need to take the gloves off, I can go with that. But regarding intent and value of process, Democrats in general try to work within the system. The GOP has been shitting on the the middle and working class for 40 years. 

Globally, even outside America, and regardless of class or nation, the world's billionaires have been abusing the planet. So this isn't just about America.

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You can afford it right now. Didn’t you read what I wrote?

Boru

Again, not disagreeing with you. WE CAN. If dick shaped rocket assholes can afford to show off in space, they can afford to pay more in taxes. But that is not the fault of Democrats. 

Biden has his hands tied. What he needs, is more support from our majority. But the GOP, the minority increasingly makes it harder on the sane to make that happen.

You ARE disagreeing with me, mullet head. You said you don’t have the money to accept, process, and settle these people. I’m saying you do.

This has got nothing to do with the taxes billionaires don’t pay. It’s got nothing to do with the Democratic majority.

How are we not in disagreement?

Boru