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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:06 pm
Lets try this Boru.
Lets say you were President how would you go about problem solving to accommodate the maximum on this issue? It is easy to armchair quarterback, it is another thing to actually be in power in a pluralistic society that does not always agree.
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:10 pm
(September 20, 2021 at 4:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Lets try this Boru.
Lets say you were President how would you go about problem solving to accommodate the maximum on this issue? It is easy to armchair quarterback, it is another thing to actually be in power in a pluralistic society that does not always agree.
The same way Biden is throwing these desperate people to the dogs - via an executive order.
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:10 pm
(September 20, 2021 at 3:54 pm)Mermaid Wrote: (September 20, 2021 at 3:23 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I am incapable of twisting logic like the party faithful can. (Both sides)
that's kind of funny because it sure seemed that you did by posting this thread.
If you think faithful Democrats all love Biden, you think wrong. You can start there. How is my logic twisted?
All I did is point out facts.
President Biden' s guys say "We don' t do the things those evil " other guys" do -
Then I show that they use the very laws the previous administration passed to do exactly that ( deport).
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
YMMV
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:17 pm
(September 20, 2021 at 4:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (September 20, 2021 at 4:00 pm)Brian37 Wrote: If you want to argue that Democrats need to take the gloves off, I can go with that. But regarding intent and value of process, Democrats in general try to work within the system. The GOP has been shitting on the the middle and working class for 40 years.
Globally, even outside America, and regardless of class or nation, the world's billionaires have been abusing the planet. So this isn't just about America.
Again, not disagreeing with you. WE CAN. If dick shaped rocket assholes can afford to show off in space, they can afford to pay more in taxes. But that is not the fault of Democrats.
Biden has his hands tied. What he needs, is more support from our majority. But the GOP, the minority increasingly makes it harder on the sane to make that happen.
You ARE disagreeing with me, mullet head. You said you don’t have the money to accept, process, and settle these people. I’m saying you do.
This has got nothing to do with the taxes billionaires don’t pay. It’s got nothing to do with the Democratic majority.
How are we not in disagreement?
Boru
No I am not.
But if you want to think that, regardless, instead of bitching about Biden, or me, if you think you can do better, offer up your solution.
My solution would be to stop letting assholes like Bezos and Branson and Walmart and giant corporations get away with paying little to no taxes.
But as it stands now, we are stuck with what we have to work with.
Stop yelling at me as if I am President. If you have a solution, pony up with it. I would love everyone who is trying to escape starving to death, or war, to have refuge, but the truth is deportation will always be part of life.
So President Boru, you defeated Biden, now you are President. What is your solution?
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:23 pm
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Quote:How is my logic twisted?
All I did is point out facts.
President Biden' s guys say "We don' t do the things those evil " other guys" do -
Then I show that they use the very laws the previous administration passed to do exactly that ( deport).
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
YMMV
Then you implied people here will uncritically defend Biden because he's a Democrat and your a mind reader 
So far that has not panned out very well for you
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:24 pm
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We were being assholes to immigrants when billionaires paid more taxes. In 1994, there was room for 7k people a day in immigration detention centers, and we started using them to house people we'd never considered them for before. Year over year every relevant metric for competence - lets just ignore decency- has gone down even as funding has increased...ballooned...exploded, really.
If uncle sam found a big bag of money under his bed...he'd give it to ICE.
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:27 pm
(September 20, 2021 at 4:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (September 20, 2021 at 4:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Lets try this Boru.
Lets say you were President how would you go about problem solving to accommodate the maximum on this issue? It is easy to armchair quarterback, it is another thing to actually be in power in a pluralistic society that does not always agree.
The same way Biden is throwing these desperate people to the dogs - via an executive order.
Boru
Um no. Biden is not doing what America did in WW2 turning away the St Louis.
Biden is doing more like what the Captain of the Titanic did in knowing there were not enough spots on it's lifeboats and prioritized. It is a horrible decision to make for sure.
Our system is a a result of the GOP building the Titanic and putting the Captain in the horrible position of prioritizing.
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:32 pm
(September 20, 2021 at 4:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (September 20, 2021 at 4:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You ARE disagreeing with me, mullet head. You said you don’t have the money to accept, process, and settle these people. I’m saying you do.
This has got nothing to do with the taxes billionaires don’t pay. It’s got nothing to do with the Democratic majority.
How are we not in disagreement?
Boru
No I am not.
But if you want to think that, regardless, instead of bitching about Biden, or me, if you think you can do better, offer up your solution.
My solution would be to stop letting assholes like Bezos and Branson and Walmart and giant corporations get away with paying little to no taxes.
But as it stands now, we are stuck with what we have to work with.
Stop yelling at me as if I am President. If you have a solution, pony up with it. I would love everyone who is trying to escape starving to death, or war, to have refuge, but the truth is deportation will always be part of life.
So President Boru, you defeated Biden, now you are President. What is your solution?
Ok, here’s a solution:
1) Drop the hearing process you use (everyone says it’s broken anyway) and admit everyone who claims to be a refugee. This will at least give them safe haven until their individual cases can be sorted out.
2) Settle these people on Federal land. Create refugee towns.
3) Feed (and otherwise fund) these until they are either self-sustaining or determined to be deportable.
Are there problems with this? Of course (though none of them are financial), but it’s a helluva lot better than simply throwing up your hands and sending them back to the hell holes they ran away from.
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:34 pm
(September 20, 2021 at 4:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (September 20, 2021 at 4:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The same way Biden is throwing these desperate people to the dogs - via an executive order.
Boru
Um no. Biden is not doing what America did in WW2 turning away the St Louis.
Biden is doing more like what the Captain of the Titanic did in knowing there were not enough spots on it's lifeboats and prioritized. It is a horrible decision to make for sure.
Our system is a a result of the GOP building the Titanic and putting the Captain in the horrible position of prioritizing.
But you HAVE room in the lifeboats. JFC.
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RE: President Biden orders mass deportation of immigrants
September 20, 2021 at 4:35 pm
(September 20, 2021 at 4:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (September 20, 2021 at 4:17 pm)Brian37hi ok Wrote: No I am not.
But if you want to think that, regardless, instead of bitching about Biden, or me, if you think you can do better, offer up your solution.
My solution would be to stop letting assholes like Bezos and Branson and Walmart and giant corporations get away with paying little to no taxes.
But as it stands now, we are stuck with what we have to work with.
Stop yelling at me as if I am President. If you have a solution, pony up with it. I would love everyone who is trying to escape starving to death, or war, to have refuge, but the truth is deportation will always be part of life.
So President Boru, you defeated Biden, now you are President. What is your solution?
Ok, here’s a solution:
1) Drop the hearing process you use (everyone says it’s broken anyway) and admit everyone who claims to be a refugee. This will at least give them safe haven until their individual cases can be sorted out.
2) Settle these people on Federal land. Create refugee towns.
3) Feed (and otherwise fund) these until they are either self-sustaining or determined to be deportable.
Are there problems with this? Of course (though none of them are financial), but it’s a helluva lot better than simply throwing up your hands and sending them back to the hell holes they ran away from.
Boru
And how many will New Zealand be taking?? I ' m sure you chaps won' t turn away the needy.....
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