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Russia and Ukraine
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 (December 18, 2025 at 7:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(December 17, 2025 at 6:41 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Also, Ukraine is not some feeble country that you can say "they couldn't even conquer Ukraine". Ukraine has the largest army in Europe if we discount Russia. ... and of course the Russians overlooked the issue of motivation. RE: Russia and Ukraine
December 19, 2025 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2025 at 9:55 am by The Grand Nudger.)
More of a misread, insomuch as they considered it they believed that the ukranian population was overwhelmingly on their side. There's this idea that putin, serious person and master strategist, taking personal control of the fsb made it one of the more competent arms of the russian regime. Not so. They're just as and probably even more motivated to tell the great man what he wants to hear in spite of the realities on the ground. This, ofc, being the phrase that russia likes to use in it's "negotiation" posturing while babbling about places they don't control and can't take by force.
People have been reading it as ten dimensional chess and clever propaganda. Just like we do here with donald. Nope. It's just people lying to save their jobs and lives, and because why not. No one in country is going to fact check them.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Russia and Ukraine
December 19, 2025 at 10:17 am
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2025 at 10:19 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(December 19, 2025 at 9:53 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: More of a misread, insomuch as they considered it they believed that the ukranian population was overwhelmingly on their side. There's this idea that putin, serious person and master strategist, taking personal control of the fsb made it one of the more competent arms of the russian regime. Not so. They're just as and probably even more motivated to tell the great man what he wants to hear in spite of the realities on the ground. This, ofc, being the phrase that russia likes to use in it's "negotiation" posturing while babbling about places they don't control and can't take by force. Well, I was referring to the motivation of the fighting troops, not the civvies. 
After 15 hours of talks in Brussels, the EU summit broke up with a deal on a €90 billion loan to Ukraine.
The cash will be raised through joint borrowing between 24 of the EU’s 27 countries, but it needed all of them to agree to the plan because it’s guaranteed by the central EU long-term budget. It's worse option than original plan of using frozen russian assets I think but that still is a positive outcome.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
Mikhail Bakunin. 
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
It's amazing, no matter how much putin says he won't, the dotards people insist he wants to.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Anybody remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
Quote:On 2 August 1964 there was a clash between a destroyer of the United States Navy that was collecting signals intelligence close to North Vietnamese waters, and three North Vietnamese naval vessels. On the night of 4 August, two US destroyers reported they were attacked by North Vietnamese vessels and that they were returning fire. Later investigation revealed that the 4 August attack did not happen; no North Vietnamese vessels had been present. Shortly after the events, the National Security Agency, an agency of the US Defense Department, deliberately skewed intelligence to create the impression that an attack had been carried out. Also Iraqi soldiers threw babies out of incubators in Kuwait and had weapons of mass destruction, Gaddafi gave viagra to his soldiers to commit rapes, Assad used chemical weapons on his own people in Douma. Any sentence which begins "US intelligence agencies say..." is very likely untrue. (December 20, 2025 at 2:34 am)Belacqua Wrote: Anybody remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident? You actually don't need to listen to US intel to see Putin's game plan. Anyone with half-a-brain can see that his end-game is to defeat and conquer Ukraine. Of course, "anyone with half-a-brain" probably excludes you. Many of us are skeptical of US gov't motives and propaganda. Hell, I marched against the drum-up to war in late 2002 -- and I'm a Desert Storm vet. Didn't blind me. Somehow you find FSB dope more credible than your own eyes. Poor little fool, you. |
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