Russia and Ukraine

[Angrboda]

[Thumpalumpacus]

The spineless twats already caved on Venezuela.

Of course, NATO's survival was not on the line with Venezuela. I think that will change the math on Capitol Hill.

[Ivan Denisovich]

Yeah, reality is more complex. Here Dr. Evil was waking up and deciding on aggressive action many times before current imperialist aggression.

Now do America.

It's not America that is waging war on Ukraine.

I'm sincerely curious what you want to achieve? I know that USA was and is imperialist and that millions of people could truthfully state that it's action fucked up something (and great if unspecified number couldn't because they're dead thanks to said actions). It's however plain to me that you simply try to shift attention from criminal shithole ruled by imbecilic former kgb spook. Got tired of defending this Upper Volta with rockets?

[The Grand Nudger]

If the point of all your silly shit, Bel, is that Russia does the sort of shit that the us does….and the sort of shit the us does is bad and we should stop that….then this means that what Russia does is what, and what Russia should do is what?

[Belacqua]

Now do America.

It's not America that is waging war on Ukraine.

I'm sincerely curious what you want to achieve? I know that USA was and is imperialist and that millions of people could truthfully state that it's action fucked up something (and great if unspecified number couldn't because they're dead thanks to said actions). It's however plain to me that you simply try to shift attention from criminal shithole ruled by imbecilic former kgb spook. Got tired of defending this Upper Volta with rockets?

If the rule is we have to limit our attention to the country that is waging war on Ukraine, then, yes, I am off topic.

If we're allowed to talk about the country that is waging proxy war against Russia, then talking about the US is relevant.

Anyway, what I wanted to achieve was to get away from simplistic, Good vs. Evil, James Bond movie-type political views, and think about the background of these long-running conflicts.

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's not America that is waging war on Ukraine.

I'm sincerely curious what you want to achieve? I know that USA was and is imperialist and that millions of people could truthfully state that it's action fucked up something (and great if unspecified number couldn't because they're dead thanks to said actions). It's however plain to me that you simply try to shift attention from criminal shithole ruled by imbecilic former kgb spook. Got tired of defending this Upper Volta with rockets?

If the rule is we have to limit our attention to the country that is waging war on Ukraine, then, yes, I am off topic.

If we're allowed to talk about the country that is waging proxy war against Russia, then talking about the US is relevant.

Anyway, what I wanted to achieve was to get away from simplistic, Good vs. Evil, James Bond movie-type political views, and think about the background of these long-running conflicts.

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

What’s interesting is that one of the excuses (and it WAS an excuse, not an explanation) Putin used for the invasion was that if Ukraine joined NATO, it would place the alliance’s forces on Russia’s border.

Since you’re so fond of whataboutism, how do you think NATO should respond to Russian forces on its borders?

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

... by justifying their Ukrainian aggression, using their own propaganda themes and tropes, and refusing to criticize their atrocities beyond the rare passing mention.

You're a lot more transparent than you think you are.

[Angrboda]

[Ivan Denisovich]

It's not America that is waging war on Ukraine.

I'm sincerely curious what you want to achieve? I know that USA was and is imperialist and that millions of people could truthfully state that it's action fucked up something (and great if unspecified number couldn't because they're dead thanks to said actions). It's however plain to me that you simply try to shift attention from criminal shithole ruled by imbecilic former kgb spook. Got tired of defending this Upper Volta with rockets?

If the rule is we have to limit our attention to the country that is waging war on Ukraine, then, yes, I am off topic.

If we're allowed to talk about the country that is waging proxy war against Russia, then talking about the US is relevant.

Anyway, what I wanted to achieve was to get away from simplistic, Good vs. Evil, James Bond movie-type political views, and think about the background of these long-running conflicts.

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

There is no such thing as proxy war on russia, only russia imperialist war against Ukraine.

You can't run from "simplistic" good vs evil view when country that invaded Ukraine is almost cartoonishly evil.

Your rejection means shit when in the same post that you deny defending russia you're spewing crap about "proxy war" on it.

[The Architect Of Fate]

First let me says happy 2026 to everyone


Now 

If the rule is we have to limit our attention to the country that is waging war on Ukraine, then, yes, I am off topic.

You mean the one and only relevant topic.

If we're allowed to talk about the country that is waging proxy war against Russia, then talking about the US is relevant.

No country is waging a proxy war; this conflict is solely between Ukraine and Russia, and no one else.

Anyway, what I wanted to achieve was to get away from simplistic, Good vs. Evil, James Bond movie-type political views, and think about the background of these long-running conflicts.

Nope, there’s a clear good and evil here. Russia is an aggressive force that launched a totally illegal and unjustified invasion, while NATO has tried to stop them by helping Ukraine defend itself. That’s what happened.

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

You 100% have been and all your sources are Russian shills