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[brewer]

The long history of some religions being an instrument of social control/manipulation has no bearing on their truth.

Maybe not but it certainly has a bearing on religions motives. And human motives can and do make them neglect/subvert truth.

[Angrboda]

The issue here is unrelated to God's existence. Using religion for social control exists, and happened repeatedly. Nobody is denying this. But the truth-value of religion is clearly independent of religious people's intentions. And the same is true about science.

Not true. One explanation for religion is that it is true. Another is that it is false but serves useful, manipulative ends. The degree to which the probability of the latter is increased, the probability of the former is reduced. It's a simple argument to the most likely hypothesis.

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You say religion is merely a tool of social control, this is clearly false as one can some simply hold the core beliefs of some religion without seeking any benefit or manipulating anyone.

Christianity, an obviously false belief, is still widespread despite losing all kinds of influence in the recent centuries. Clearly there is more to the story than just social control.

Besides, given that people like Stalin and Pol Pot existed and had a long and prosperous career of genocide and mass murder, one obviously doesn't need religion to rule people and convince them to do horrific things.

Ideologies are religions too.

Says who?

[Ahriman]

Says who?

It's common sense.

[Fake Messiah]

Ideology is very similar to religion.

Here's how it explained on Wikipedia

An ideology is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially as held for reasons that are not purely epistemic, in which "practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones." Formerly applied primarily to economic, political, or religious theories and policies, in a tradition going back to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, more recent use treats the term as mainly condemnatory.

And if you are talking about communism, it is pretty much a state religion with a leader having infallible godlike status.

[The Grand Nudger]

You know...Kloro...a great many of us think that making weapons of mass destruction does discredit the character of the scientists doing it, and the institution from which it arises.  I want you to hold on to whatever feeling you had when you thought there was a gotcha here - and realize that some people see the religion you believe in, as a mere tool of social control or as a divinely sanctioned tool of social control..exactly the same way

You say religion is merely a tool of social control, this is clearly false as one can some simply hold the core beliefs of some religion without seeking any benefit or manipulating anyone.

Christianity, an obviously false belief, is still widespread despite losing all kinds of influence in the recent centuries. Clearly there is more to the story than just social control.

Besides, given that people like Stalin and Pol Pot existed and had a long and prosperous career of genocide and mass murder, one obviously doesn't need religion to rule people and convince them to do horrific things.

I say that it doesn't matter to me whether islam is merely a tool of social control, or a divinely sanctioned tool of social control.  

The main problem with christianity isn't that it's beliefs are false, but that they're dogshit.  The main problem with islam...similarly... isn't whether it's beliefs are false, but that they are dogshit.

OFC you don't need religion to do terrible shit - it just helps. The absolute best thing that could be said about a theist of any kind who doesn;t seek to benefit or control anyone else with their beliefs..is that they kept that shit to themselves.

[Nay_Sayer]

don't worry because even if I wanted to, I couldn't convert anyone, only FSM can, and as Xhe is respectful of your free will, you can sleep peacefully and remain in your comfortable ignorance, until the inevitable Day. or it will be impossible for you to deny the obvious, but then it will be too late.

You live in the dark, seek the light.
RAmen

Is Xhe gender neutral?

More like Omnigendered.

FSM is all.

[Jehanne]

Is Xhe gender neutral?

More like Omnigendered.

FSM is all.

I have a premonition that the FSM likes country western music, and playing such will channel its inner light. The exception is anything by Willie Nelson.

[akay]

Scientific Proofs of God


While keeping metaphysics and spirituality aside, the four primary physical attributes are being considered here that may help to describe God to any believer or disbeliever in scientific terms: 1)Eternal, independent of time, 2)Omnipresent, found everywhere, 3)Omnipotent, all powerful and 4)Omniscient, all knowing. If these primary attributes are found in one Power and are proved scientifically then that power is God.

Eternal:
Heisenberg came to the conclusion that quantum events cannot be predicted. All freed electrons behave as if they are being influenced by an outside variable or force, Uncertainty Principle. In Signal Travels Farther & Faster than light by Malcolm W.Browne, a force was found connecting two freed electrons and proved to be Eternal, was present within our time yet was not involved with the flow of our time. This Eternal force connects to all freed electrons. Every particle that releases energy connects to this Eternal force.

Omnipresent:
Everything beyond our solar system that is visible is made of stars, which all release freed electrons, light, radiation etc. This shows that this force to also be Omnipresent everywhere in the universe.

Omnipotent:
In experiments by Russian scientists they found at that laser photons knew when a DNA molecule was added in to the vacuum. [http://quantumbalancing.com/news/russian_dna.htm]
The photons/electrons collected around the DNA stand and began to change the order of the DNA, changing it to what is desired. After the DNA was removed and the laser turned off the excess photons remained in the position resembling the DNA for over 22 minutes. This simply proves that this force to be Omnipotent, all powerful. It is common observation that we see everything to be so complex, complex environments, complex galaxies and the complexity of nature and life itself. If this force created everything from nothing, we know that energy cannot be created, shows this force to be Omnipotent. Visual evidence is seen in the distance of stars and galaxies across the universe.


According to the first law of thermodynamics energy cannot be created or destroyed. Then where did all the energy in this universe come from?

Does it have something to do with this same force being timeless? The force was able to use freed electrons to manipulate DNA, showing what this force can do on a tiny scale. What can this force do to freed electrons on a large scale? Is the universe expanding form dark matter or this Eternal Force?

Since the universe is full of freed electrons, one can only imagine what this force could do if it used to work as one single entity. Possibly how the whole universe was created in six eons.


This data implies that all freed electrons in combination or as a collective to be: Omnipotent, all powerful. This is self evident from the size and distance of galaxies that can be seen across this universe.

Omniscient:
In the Double Slit experiment mentioned earlier, light a freed electron showed that it was observant of its surroundings. It knew when it was being watched and knew when it was not. It showed simple means of intelligence by reacting to visual stimuli. The first bit of evidence that showed this force to be, Omniscient. In the STI [Self thinking Interface] Device created by Physicst Roger R.Vogelsan in the early 70’ proved that there is ultimate knowledge in the FORCE which connects to all freed electrons. This FORCE knows everything its Omniscient.
Hence science proves that God is real and His existence is scientifically proved, let’s look at the

summary:

1) God is Eternal: The twin-photon experiment by Dr.Nicholas Gisin verified by later experiments found photons, freed electrons to be connected to this Force. Nothing can go faster that light except this one Force.

2) God is Omnipresent: This force connects to all freed electrons in our universe. Freed electrons are created when matter is converted in to energy. This force is everywhere even beyond our universe. This force is found to be everywhere in our universe’s past, present & future which we call time as time does not exist to this force.

3) God is Omnipotent: All powerful. We observe galaxies at the furthest reaches of the universe. Not hot gas which first theorised but old galaxies. How can the light now be reaching us and show old galaxies at the furthest extents of the universe? If light has a speed limit, then how did distant galaxies form long before the universe was said to have begun? This force again shows that it is Omnipotent and Timeless.

4) God is Omniscient: All knowing. Physicst Roger R.Vogelsang found with his STI Device that not only could this force read thoughts and knew all things in the past and future but have knowledge of every thing past, present and future.


God is Eternal, Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient, Science proves it!

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[Paleophyte]

cientific Proofs of God

Are you really so desperate as to try and define god as quantum vacuum energy? Hardly omniscient or omnipotent and definitely not omnibenevolent. Certainly not the sort of phenomenon any sane person would pray to. The rest of this was just a train wreck of woo that did little but demonstrate your scientific illiteracy.

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The long history of some religions being an instrument of social control/manipulation has no bearing on their truth.

How not? You don't get to manipulating people by telling them the truth and you don't trust a manipulator unless you're cluelessly gullible.

[brewer]

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Scientific Proofs of God


While keeping metaphysics and spirituality aside, the four primary physical attributes are being considered here that may help to describe God to any believer or disbeliever in scientific terms: 1)Eternal, independent of time, 2)Omnipresent, found everywhere, 3)Omnipotent, all powerful and 4)Omniscient, all knowing. If these primary attributes are found in one Power and are proved scientifically then that power is God.

Eternal:
Heisenberg came to the conclusion that quantum events cannot be predicted. All freed electrons behave as if they are being influenced by an outside variable or force, Uncertainty Principle. In Signal Travels Farther & Faster than light by Malcolm W.Browne, a force was found connecting two freed electrons and proved to be Eternal, was present within our time yet was not involved with the flow of our time. This Eternal force connects to all freed electrons. Every particle that releases energy connects to this Eternal force.

Omnipresent:
Everything beyond our solar system that is visible is made of stars, which all release freed electrons, light, radiation etc. This shows that this force to also be Omnipresent everywhere in the universe.

Omnipotent:
In experiments by Russian scientists they found at that laser photons knew when a DNA molecule was added in to the vacuum.  [http://quantumbalancing.com/news/russian_dna.htm]
The photons/electrons collected around the DNA stand and began to change the order of the DNA, changing it to what is desired. After the DNA was removed and the laser turned off the excess photons remained in the position resembling the DNA for over 22 minutes. This simply proves that this force to be Omnipotent, all powerful. It is common observation that we see everything to be so complex, complex environments, complex galaxies and the complexity of nature and life itself. If this force created everything from nothing, we know that energy cannot be created, shows this force to be Omnipotent. Visual evidence is seen in the distance of stars and galaxies across the universe.


According to the first law of thermodynamics energy cannot be created or destroyed. Then where did all the energy in this universe come from?

Does it have something to do with this same force being timeless? The force was able to use freed electrons to manipulate DNA, showing what this force can do on a tiny scale. What can this force do to freed electrons on a large scale? Is the universe expanding form dark matter or this Eternal Force?

Since the universe is full of freed electrons, one can only imagine what this force could do if it used to work as one single entity. Possibly how the whole universe was created in six eons.


This data implies that all freed electrons in combination or as a collective to be: Omnipotent, all powerful. This is self evident from the size and distance of galaxies that can be seen across this universe.

Omniscient:
In the Double Slit experiment mentioned earlier, light a freed electron showed that it was observant of its surroundings. It knew when it was being watched and knew when it was not. It showed simple means of intelligence by reacting to visual stimuli. The first bit of evidence that showed this force to be, Omniscient. In the STI [Self thinking Interface] Device created by Physicst Roger R.Vogelsan in the early 70’ proved that there is ultimate knowledge in the FORCE which connects to all freed electrons. This FORCE knows everything its Omniscient.
Hence science proves that God is real and His existence is scientifically proved, let’s look at the

summary:

1)  God is Eternal: The twin-photon experiment by Dr.Nicholas Gisin verified by later experiments found photons, freed electrons to be connected to this Force. Nothing can go faster that light except this one Force.

2)  God is Omnipresent: This force connects to all freed electrons in our universe. Freed electrons are created when matter is converted in to energy. This force is everywhere even beyond our universe. This force is found to be everywhere in our universe’s past, present & future which we call time as time does not exist to this force.

3) God is Omnipotent: All powerful. We observe galaxies at the furthest reaches of the universe. Not hot gas which first theorised but old galaxies. How can the light now be reaching us and show old galaxies at the furthest extents of the universe? If light has a speed limit, then how did distant galaxies form long before the universe was said to have begun? This force again shows that it is Omnipotent and Timeless.

4) God is Omniscient: All knowing. Physicst Roger R.Vogelsang found with his STI Device that not only could this force read thoughts and knew all things in the past and future but have knowledge of every thing past, present and future.


God is Eternal, Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient, Science proves it!

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