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Why have a gun?
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 (April 2, 2022 at 2:35 am)onlinebiker Wrote:(April 1, 2022 at 5:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘Law abiding’ isn’t enough. Neo was talking about a moral equivalence, not a legal one. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
 (April 2, 2022 at 2:37 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Odd how often people confuse those two things(April 2, 2022 at 2:35 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Actually - it is - you might not like it - but here in this country it' s the standard.
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April 2, 2022 at 8:02 am
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RE: Why have a gun?
April 2, 2022 at 10:50 am
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(April 2, 2022 at 8:02 am)onlinebiker Wrote:(April 2, 2022 at 2:37 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Neo was talking about a moral equivalence, not a legal one. (Bold mine) It manifestly does not. That which is legal is not necessarily moral, and contrary wise. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
RE: Why have a gun?
April 2, 2022 at 10:59 am
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Fantasizing about committing a justifiable homicide, for example. Perfectly legal, not exactly moral. Actually committing a justifiable homicide? Also legal..even less moral.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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April 2, 2022 at 11:17 am
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I will never understand this mindset, being willing to kill someone to protect material things.
(April 2, 2022 at 10:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Fantasizing about committing a justifiable homicide, for example. Perfectly legal, not exactly moral. Actually committing a justifiable homicide? Also legal..even less moral. Exactly. Our murderous culture makes me ill.
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-Homer Simpson RE: Why have a gun?
April 2, 2022 at 11:59 am
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(April 2, 2022 at 10:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)Keep repeating that. Maybe someone will believe you. You are simply saying that " my morals are moral, because they are moral". You give no REASON why being a law abiding citizen is not a high enough standard to gun ownership. As morals are collective to a society - the one I live in says that you simply have to obey laws to own guns. It is a RIGHT to do so that can only be taken away from an individual by due process of law. You just don' t like it. Sorry. Your opinion isn' t really a consideration of how we conduct ourselves in our country. If we come to New Zealand we will be happy to play by your rules. RE: Why have a gun?
April 2, 2022 at 12:06 pm
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Being a law abiding citizen -is- a high enough legal standard you frothing loon. Our laws say absofuckinglutely nothing about the morality of gun ownership - and that's intentional. We don't say, for example, that only the very best boys and girls can own a gun...which is a super convenient thing for you, I'd imagine.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Confusing legality and morality is a common American malady.
RE: Why have a gun?
April 2, 2022 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2022 at 1:33 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 2, 2022 at 1:25 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Confusing legality and morality is a common American malady. Is it illegal? Is it unethical? Would you do it?  It's actually not illegal for me to dump non native fish in the creek. It's highly unethical. I'd certainly do it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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