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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 1:19 am
(December 8, 2022 at 1:15 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: According to the warning the Peace Corps issued, this is the sort of racism they were warning about:
Quote:Possible Considerations for African American or Black Volunteers
Volunteer Voices: “'People of color' face many challenges living in Ukraine, as a Peace Corps Volunteer. However, African-Americans will confront far more complicated issues. For modern parts of Ukraine, African-Americans are part of the community and day-to-day life. However, there are many Ukrainians who have never seen a Black person before. Their understanding of African-American culture is fueled by the media and African stereotypes. You will generate lots of interest and curious stares.
So, these stares can make you uncomfortable and annoyed. Ukrainians' initial perception of you may be that you are from Africa; it may not. It does help if they understand that you are an American, and the training in PST will help you consider ways that you will engage with these assumptions."
"It is not uncommon for Ukrainians to refer to African-Americans as “[N-Word]”. Volunteers of color may be called 'a monkey' or may see children’s games with Blackface. Being aware of the history of dehumanization for people of African descent may help inform where this comes from; it does not justify it. It will be at your discretion to determine the intent. No matter the intent, staff recognizes the impact that hearing that word may invoke hurt and anger. If you view it as unlearned [something the person has never been exposed to], it may be an opportunity for you to educate that person. We are here to support your successful service, and these comments and images can be a huge distraction and obstacle to you. Know that Peace Corps staff is here to support and encourage you. Do not hesitate to remove yourself from such situations. You are not expected to be subjected to such treatment. You can also find support and understand from other African-American Peace Corps Volunteers serving in Ukraine."
Any volunteer or staff member who has experienced racism can contact any Peace Corps Ukraine staff member. This can include the Program Managers, Safety and Security Manager, Director of Management and Operations, Director of Programs and Training, or Country Director.
Obviously not good. But then again, also not Nazi-type racism. And, yes, that was the full section on the report related to black people.
What the hell is"Nazi-type racism"?
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 1:26 am
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Maybe you should ask Kanye, and then he can tell you why he loves them, especially hitler. Microphones and suchlike. Or we could go with the pretty standard definition, which has something to do with ovens and final solutions.
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 1:36 am
(December 8, 2022 at 1:19 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: (December 8, 2022 at 1:15 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: According to the warning the Peace Corps issued, this is the sort of racism they were warning about:
Obviously not good. But then again, also not Nazi-type racism. And, yes, that was the full section on the report related to black people.
What the hell is"Nazi-type racism"?
At the bare minimum, actively malicious with an eye towards utter destruction of the race they hate.
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 1:56 am
(December 8, 2022 at 1:36 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: (December 8, 2022 at 1:19 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: What the hell is"Nazi-type racism"?
At the bare minimum, actively malicious with an eye towards utter destruction of the race they hate.
But they learned that from the eugenics movement happening here in the US.
What America Taught the Nazis
In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in codified racism—the United States.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/feb/06/race.usa
Quote:The Nazis' extermination programme was carried out in the name of eugenics - but they were by no means the only advocates of racial purification. In this extract from his extraordinary new book, Edwin Black describes how Adolf Hitler's race hatred was underpinned by the work of American eugenicists
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 2:18 am
Huggy, your statement "They saw it from Americans and therefore Americans made them do it" is nonsense. Just because there was a fringe eugenics movement in the US does not mean you can blame what Nazis did on Americans. I mean, then you can say that Americans are innocent because they saw eugenics from the Vikings and Spartans who killed newborns that they thought were weak.
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 2:20 am
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You act like I'm not painfully aware of the fact that Nazism was heavily influenced by American eugenics. That shit stopped being surprising to me when I found out that Hitler outright praised America's immigration system in Mein Kampf.
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 2:38 am
(December 8, 2022 at 2:20 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: You act like I'm not painfully aware of the fact that Nazism was heavily influenced by American eugenics. That shit stopped being surprising to me when I found out that Hitler outright praised America's immigration system in Mein Kampf.
Then why argue semantics when it comes to racism, As if rather Nazis had a special kind of Racism...
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 2:43 am
(December 8, 2022 at 2:38 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: (December 8, 2022 at 2:20 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: You act like I'm not painfully aware of the fact that Nazism was heavily influenced by American eugenics. That shit stopped being surprising to me when I found out that Hitler outright praised America's immigration system in Mein Kampf.
Then why argue semantics when it comes to racism, As if rather Nazis had a special kind of Racism...
There were also good nonracist Germans but there was one very racist - and you know who Ye picked to love?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 2:47 am
(December 8, 2022 at 2:43 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (December 8, 2022 at 2:38 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: Then why argue semantics when it comes to racism, As if rather Nazis had a special kind of Racism...
There were also good nonracist Germans but there was one very racist - and you know who Ye picked to love?
Ya, he's mentally ill, though we covered that.
Mentally ill man say things a mentally ill person would say... shocker.
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RE: Kanye West on Alex Jones
December 8, 2022 at 2:47 am
Yeah, they kind of did. It was a genocidal type of racism. Which is less actively dangerous than the sort of shit that warning from the Peace Corps was warning about.
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