The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.

[GrandizerII]

I can’t help but wonder if some of the studies of blindsight were concocted by sick fucks who just wanted to throw stuff at blind people.

Boru

Yeah, hopefully they were throwing beach balls instead of basketballs, lol.

Anyway, I've been thinking for the past while about blindsightedness and its exact relevance to the topic of consciousness as pertaining to the hard problem. Whatever point Dmitry was trying to make (and I don't know anymore what their point was given their most recent responses here), visual perception (in the strictly neurological sense) does appear to have significant importance functionally (and from an evolutionary perspective), and limitations to that perception are going to hamper the organism's functionality in some way that may matter for survival and/or practical daily life matters. Which is the case for people who are cortically blind. They're not being hampered because they lack visual consciousness, but because of damage to a certain area in the brain that leads to a limited visual perception.

[The Grand Nudger]

Dmitry, when considering blind sight and evolutionary theory, believed that the one went some way to discrediting the other. I mean, ultimately I think his opinion on the matter wasn't even wrong. That skepticism of evolutionary theory is justified. That's never not true, it's just not true for this particular reason, imo.

[Anomalocaris]

I can’t help but wonder if some of the studies of blindsight were concocted by sick fucks who just wanted to throw stuff at blind people.

Boru

blindsight was introduced to modern medical science by police detectives who felt they had good reason to believe some people who use medicalily certified blindness as alibi were, in fact, not blind, because they were observed to be able to walk along obstacle laden path without a walking cane

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I can’t help but wonder if some of the studies of blindsight were concocted by sick fucks who just wanted to throw stuff at blind people.

Boru

blindsight was introduced to modern medical science by police detectives who felt they had good reason to believe some people who use medicalily certified blindness as alibi were, in fact, not blind, because they were observed to be able to walk along obstacle laden path without a walking cane

Someone once asked the late, great Ray Charles how he was able to get about with no cane. His answer was hard-soled shoes. He was able to hear echoes from obstacles, provided he was walking on a hard floor.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

blindsight was introduced to modern medical science by police detectives who felt they had good reason to believe some people who use medicalily certified blindness as alibi were, in fact, not blind, because they were observed to be able to walk along obstacle laden path without a walking cane

Someone once asked the late, great Ray Charles how he was able to get about with no cane. His answer was hard-soled shoes. He was able to hear echoes from obstacles, provided he was walking on a hard floor.

Boru

My aunt has never used a cane.  But watching closely, you will see her hold one finger up to her side, running it along the walls when inside.  My cousin (her son) was surprised I had noticed that as it's not terribly noticeable.

[Paleophyte]

Catching a ball isn't a complex problem.

you can't be serious

It's simple enough that we've built robots to do it. So no, not terribly complex as these things go.

[The Architect Of Fate]

you can't be serious

It's simple enough that we've built robots to do it. So no, not terribly complex as these things go.

Indeed.

[Paleophyte]

We can perform some really really complex tasks like catching an object or avoiding obstacles without qualia.

Neither of those are particularly complex tasks. Sure, they're harder than sitting there looking foolish but nowhere near as tricky as, just as an example, poetry. And the blindsighted people that you seem to love to carry on about only do it very poorly.

If you want a complex task you can explain how anything without qualia is going to mange to use or develop tools. Good luck with that.

[The Architect Of Fate]

We can perform some really really complex tasks like catching an object or avoiding obstacles without qualia.

Neither of those are particularly complex tasks. Sure, they're harder than sitting there looking foolish but nowhere near as tricky as, just as an example, poetry. And the blindsighted people that you seem to love to carry on about only do it very poorly.

If you want a complex task you can explain how anything without qualia is going to mange to use or develop tools. Good luck with that.

Indeed even simple robots can avoid bumping into things

[Paleophyte]

Neither of those are particularly complex tasks. Sure, they're harder than sitting there looking foolish but nowhere near as tricky as, just as an example, poetry. And the blindsighted people that you seem to love to carry on about only do it very poorly.

If you want a complex task you can explain how anything without qualia is going to mange to use or develop tools. Good luck with that.

Indeed even simple robots can avoid bumping into things

I'm going to enjoy Dmitry's explanation of why that Arduinobot doesn't have qualia.