Do atheists believe in the existence of friendship?

[Nay_Sayer]

How about this.

Start over.  It's glaringly obvious you are a theist of some sort, and so am I, I just happen to have the correct belief system and you don't.

Tell us about yourself and what you believe, Because this long drawn out trolling isn't going to get you anywhere. For one you are far too heavy-handed with the faux chagrins and 'Oh whelps'.

If you can do that you may get a conversation, If not then I will assume you to be a troll/Sock.

It seems that I have to repeat myself here because you surely didn't have time to read all I wrote.

First, I am a rational scientific man. I accept an idea while being based solely on reason (the same logical reasoning on which my scientific studies are based), so it is out of question for me to believe something based on faith.

Although I believe that I am supposed to be a biological robot which has to follow its preprogrammed various instructions (instincts, stimulated by chemicals), the only free-will I was also given is the ability to oppose any of these instructions whenever I want.
Naturally, if a robot is deigned to defend itself whenever it is attacked, it is not supposed to it to allow its attackers to destroy it while it was given all the means to destroy them first.
Some persons here insist that even 'not resisting evil' is due to the existence of some chemicals (extra preprogrammed instructions) whose role is to cancel the role of some other chemicals (as of survival). Since these persons call themselves atheists, we may say that an atheist is supposed to believe that he is somehow a perfect biological robot made just to serve the world till its End Of Service.

Now, you may ask for example:
What lets you decide not to resist evil?
I am afraid that the answer cannot be understood by robots even they want to.
I mean; Could they believe me that by doing this I simply feel a certain joy (not bounded by time or place), and by resisting evil I just feel I am another robot doing its job?
Please tell me, how many persons agree with me on this reaction other than Jesus (real or a fictional character) whom we heard of on the Gospel.

On the other hand, do I believe it is possible for a non-existent thing be useful in my life?
Of course, I do. Otherwise, I couldn't learn Geometry and Algebra to name a few.
They are based on many abstract non-existing things; as the notion of 'infinity' (parallel straights intersect at infinity) and imaginary numbers (based on the square root of -1).
So, it was natural for me to realize with time that behind the existence of my complex being (my complex robotic nature, in the least) there is a Will. But this belief has no practical information by itself unless I can also discover the nature of this Will.
So, let us suppose one gets a robot whose makers are unknown. How could he have a good idea of its unknown makers (the company which produced it)? As in movies about aliens from space, he starts finding out how it is made and for which reason it is made as well. This is exactly what I did by studying my own structure in order to have a realistic image of my unseen Maker.

Sorry, is it wise to go on while we are in an atheist forum? I have no intension to hurt, in any way, my atheist (also theists) friends here by giving them the impression that I am preaching.

I was really hoping the magic word was 'tryst'.

He never explained why my list of words was not valid.  It might be because I'm not playing the game he'd like me to and now he's playing mine.

[Angrboda]

I don't trust myself in all things, either.  But it becomes a bit of an incoherent standard as I cannot decide to exclude myself from some things as I would a friend, so it's not clear how a friendship could ever meet such a bar if for no other reason than that trust in myself is categorically different from trust in another.

Let us return to basics.
My point is that if... I said if... two persons are able to have an unlimited mutual trust, they are no more seen by an outsider as two persons but just One being having One will no matter to whom (of the two) he tries to contact.

If that outsider is a psychotherapist, they will still be billed as two people -- and likely for a long time as they have an unhealthy codependency.

[Astreja]

So, based on the so-called discoveries by some of our dear scientists, only the chemicals in the brains of these masters, theist or atheist, are responsible of creating the various types of groups in the world.

Ah, so you're a conspiracy theorist, are you? No point in continuing to discuss anything with you; I'm out.

[GUBU]

Yes.  Just because we don't believe in gods it doesn't follow that we stop being human.

And objectively speaking, there is no such thing as a best friendship, as that is a subjective idea whose answer is unique to every person.

I am afraid that if two persons cannot trust really each other, they can call their relationship anything they like but being real friends.
In other words, we like it or not, the real 'mutual Trust' is a perquisite and the base in any real friendship.

Yeah, and what makes you think I don't trust others. I'm human after all, a member of a social species where the concept of trust is baked in at a genetic level.

You really don't understand reality, do you?

[KerimF]

I am afraid that if two persons cannot trust really each other, they can call their relationship anything they like but being real friends.
In other words, we like it or not, the real 'mutual Trust' is a perquisite and the base in any real friendship.

Yeah, and what makes you think I don't trust others.  I'm human after all, a member of a social species where the concept of trust is baked in at a genetic level.

You really don't understand reality, do you?

Actually, I am trying to show the inverse of what you had the impression from reading my posts.
All formal Christians around the world (who follows the teachings of the men in charge of their Churches) are supposed to believe that a perfect union of two beings (that lets them be seen as one being having One Will towards any outsider) is a Heavenly Secret (beyond human's reasoning) when Jesus says: I and 'THE' Father are one (let us notice, as a side note, that he didn't say, I and MY Father are one, but this has its own story  ).

As you said, many of those who are supposed not to believe whatever could be related to whom the world knows as Jesus, see this union being possible in reality. In other words, some atheists are closer to Jesus in this... than all formal Christians around the world are
 
Thank you.

[KerimF]

So, based on the so-called discoveries by some of our dear scientists, only the chemicals in the brains of these masters, theist or atheist, are responsible of creating the various types of groups in the world.

Ah, so you're a conspiracy theorist, are you?  No point in continuing to discuss anything with you; I'm out.

Yes, thanks to the geniuses who created the notion of 'Conspiracy Theory', most followers/believers of this notion are made ready to believe blindly any fairy tale made for them. I recall how the world had/has to believe that criminals could become highly insane (not intelligent as you and I are, but sorry if you think you are not  ) and decided someday to help their worst enemies to gain unlimited legitimate rights and incomes from year 2001 till our days, so far. 

But please, for your safety, pretend being ignorant, as millions of wise people around the world do, because no matter what the powerless multitudes in the world believe or not, nothing can stop whatever was/is planned for or against them by the powerful rich World's Elite.

You see, your last decision proves you are indeed a wise person.

[KerimF]

Let us return to basics.
My point is that if... I said if... two persons are able to have an unlimited mutual trust, they are no more seen by an outsider as two persons but just One being having One will no matter to whom (of the two) he tries to contact.

If that outsider is a psychotherapist, they will still be billed as two people -- and likely for a long time as they have an unhealthy codependency.

Good remark, thank you.

May I add that also my dogs and cats will see them as two persons, having two separate wills, no matter if they are real friends or not

[KerimF]

It seems that I have to repeat myself here because you surely didn't have time to read all I wrote.

First, I am a rational scientific man. I accept an idea while being based solely on reason (the same logical reasoning on which my scientific studies are based), so it is out of question for me to believe something based on faith.

Although I believe that I am supposed to be a biological robot which has to follow its preprogrammed various instructions (instincts, stimulated by chemicals), the only free-will I was also given is the ability to oppose any of these instructions whenever I want.
Naturally, if a robot is deigned to defend itself whenever it is attacked, it is not supposed to it to allow its attackers to destroy it while it was given all the means to destroy them first.
Some persons here insist that even 'not resisting evil' is due to the existence of some chemicals (extra preprogrammed instructions) whose role is to cancel the role of some other chemicals (as of survival). Since these persons call themselves atheists, we may say that an atheist is supposed to believe that he is somehow a perfect biological robot made just to serve the world till its End Of Service.

Now, you may ask for example:
What lets you decide not to resist evil?
I am afraid that the answer cannot be understood by robots even they want to.
I mean; Could they believe me that by doing this I simply feel a certain joy (not bounded by time or place), and by resisting evil I just feel I am another robot doing its job?
Please tell me, how many persons agree with me on this reaction other than Jesus (real or a fictional character) whom we heard of on the Gospel.

On the other hand, do I believe it is possible for a non-existent thing be useful in my life?
Of course, I do. Otherwise, I couldn't learn Geometry and Algebra to name a few.
They are based on many abstract non-existing things; as the notion of 'infinity' (parallel straights intersect at infinity) and imaginary numbers (based on the square root of -1).
So, it was natural for me to realize with time that behind the existence of my complex being (my complex robotic nature, in the least) there is a Will. But this belief has no practical information by itself unless I can also discover the nature of this Will.
So, let us suppose one gets a robot whose makers are unknown. How could he have a good idea of its unknown makers (the company which produced it)? As in movies about aliens from space, he starts finding out how it is made and for which reason it is made as well. This is exactly what I did by studying my own structure in order to have a realistic image of my unseen Maker.

Sorry, is it wise to go on while we are in an atheist forum? I have no intension to hurt, in any way, my atheist (also theists) friends here by giving them the impression that I am preaching.

I was really hoping the magic word was 'tryst'.

He never explained why my list of words was not valid.  It might be because I'm not playing the game he'd like me to and now he's playing mine.

If you like to believe that all what you read and wrote in this thread is just about a game, then, congratulations, you are the big winner. Be happy.

[KerimF]

It seems that I have to repeat myself here because you surely didn't have time to read all I wrote.

First, I am a rational scientific man. I accept an idea while being based solely on reason (the same logical reasoning on which my scientific studies are based), so it is out of question for me to believe something based on faith.

Although I believe that I am supposed to be a biological robot which has to follow its preprogrammed various instructions (instincts, stimulated by chemicals), the only free-will I was also given is the ability to oppose any of these instructions whenever I want.
Naturally, if a robot is deigned to defend itself whenever it is attacked, it is not supposed to it to allow its attackers to destroy it while it was given all the means to destroy them first.
Some persons here insist that even 'not resisting evil' is due to the existence of some chemicals (extra preprogrammed instructions) whose role is to cancel the role of some other chemicals (as of survival). Since these persons call themselves atheists, we may say that an atheist is supposed to believe that he is somehow a perfect biological robot made just to serve the world till its End Of Service.

Now, you may ask for example:
What lets you decide not to resist evil?
I am afraid that the answer cannot be understood by robots even they want to.
I mean; Could they believe me that by doing this I simply feel a certain joy (not bounded by time or place), and by resisting evil I just feel I am another robot doing its job?
Please tell me, how many persons agree with me on this reaction other than Jesus (real or a fictional character) whom we heard of on the Gospel.

On the other hand, do I believe it is possible for a non-existent thing be useful in my life?
Of course, I do. Otherwise, I couldn't learn Geometry and Algebra to name a few.
They are based on many abstract non-existing things; as the notion of 'infinity' (parallel straights intersect at infinity) and imaginary numbers (based on the square root of -1).
So, it was natural for me to realize with time that behind the existence of my complex being (my complex robotic nature, in the least) there is a Will. But this belief has no practical information by itself unless I can also discover the nature of this Will.
So, let us suppose one gets a robot whose makers are unknown. How could he have a good idea of its unknown makers (the company which produced it)? As in movies about aliens from space, he starts finding out how it is made and for which reason it is made as well. This is exactly what I did by studying my own structure in order to have a realistic image of my unseen Maker.

Sorry, is it wise to go on while we are in an atheist forum? I have no intension to hurt, in any way, my atheist (also theists) friends here by giving them the impression that I am preaching.

A simple "No I'm going to keep trolling" would have sufficed.

Apparently, you're going to run this into the ground.  Your replies are rife with baiting language, I can tell you others here will see through you as well.

Good luck.

I'll keep you in my prayers.  RAmen

No one can deny that thinking of 'negative' comments is the easiest way to reply.

The only clear positive info I learnt around here is that, as proven by certain scientists, 'everything' a human does is stimulated by certain chemicals planted in his brain... even when he accepts to fully trust the will of another human.
So, I learnt here that for some members, in the least, humans are brought into life to play some important roles in serving the world till their EOF (End of Service).
Did I miss noticing other positive info?

[KerimF]

The only real free-will that, a human may have, is his ability to oppose, or not, his preprogrammed instructions embedded in his living flesh.

Shades of randian free will in here.  The notion that the only real or actual freedom we possess is whether to employ whatever agency we possess.  We are still who we are, it's still going to do what it's going to do.

I'm not so sure this is meaningfully different from the freedom an ai possesses.  What's with all the design and "Company of the Will " nonsense, it doesn't seem to be doing anything, just a dangling assertion.

A kid noticed a beautiful big car and said to his father: Father, please tell me, who made this car.
The father gives him a 'name' (please replace the word 'name' with the brand you prefer  ). But to go on, let us replace it with the world 'BMW'.

The kid: Is BMW a man or a woman.
The father: Neither, it is just a name of a company.
The kid: Where and how does this company live?
The father: Son, a company is not a living being.
The kid: Is it a sort of robot then?
The father: No, it is not a robot. it exists as a group of people working together on making cars as the one you saw.
The kid: Oh, I see. May I conclude that 'BMW' refers to the 'common will' of the people forming this group, company, in making their cars?
The father: Good remark son. Who says that kids don't see things better than adults sometimes!

Sorry, I agree with the kid about what is known also as 'God' as being behind our existence. I guess, this doesn't make me as any known theist or an atheist... right?