Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.

[Angrboda]

Here, let me point out the equivocations by inserting the appropriate qualifiers in your text:

Angrboda, and also anyone else, on the Abortion issue:

The argument really is very simple, I: (1) All [born] Human Beings have All Human Rights (2) The Child in the Womb is a [born] Human Being (3) Therefore, the Child in the Womb has All Human Rights. (4) All Human Rights include the Right to Life, otherwise you and I don't have that Right either. (5) Therefore, the Child in the Womb has the Right to Life. It has this simply by virtue or by Nature of being Human, which we can now medically prove. Not just of course the fact that the Child in the Womb has a beating human heart proves that, but even some time earlier, it was medically known, the child in the womb is a new human being, genetically distinct from each of her parents, having 23 chromosomes from both.

[insertions mine]

Now that the appropriate qualifiers have been added such that the term in premise #1 is the same as that in premise #2, we can see that premise #2 is clearly false as a child in the womb is most definitely not a born human being, therefore premise #2 is false and your argument is unsound.

By the way, I can do this all day long without breaking a sweat. Your arguments are not new or clever and my logical skills are easily equal to the task.

[no one]

Once again this weapons grade bozo overlooks the fact that it is not in a room full of other mindless morons. Its squawking points are not only absurd gibbersh, but also tired, worn out nonsense.

Like all the other brainless wonders that pester any athiest forums, their sad, stale, uninspired drivel is in no way original or intelligent.

But, they all will pat themselves on the back commending the brilliant job they have done.

[Deesse23]

The argument really is very simple, I: (1) All Human Beings have All Human Rights (2) The Child in the Womb is a Human Being (3) Therefore, the Child in the Womb has All Human Rights. (4) All Human Rights include the Right to Life, otherwise you and I don't have that Right either. (5) Therefore, the Child in the Womb has the Right to Life. It has this simply by virtue or by Nature of being Human, which we can now medically prove. Not just of course the fact that the Child in the Womb has a beating human heart proves that, but even some time earlier, it was medically known, the child in the womb is a new human being, genetically distinct from each of her parents, having 23 chromosomes from both.

Therefore...what is the appropriate punishment for an (illegal) abortion?
Come on....say it. Please be honest and consistent only once on this forum. Show your true colours.

Your refusal to address my very valid latest points is also noted. You dont care about babies or fetuses being aborted naturally, do you? You care about the mothers aborting them, do you?
Prove me wrong by correctly addressing my objections. Show me what a bad, baad militant atheist i am. Prove me wrong when i claim you to be a liar. Prove me wrong when i say you dont care about babies (too).

God/Christ is watching you!!!!!

[no one]

It won't Deesse. It doesn't have a back bone, nor does it have any intestinal fortitude in its yellow belly.

[Angrboda]

[Bucky Ball]

2 billion deaths. OMG. So much for any moral argument. LOL

In #1, the (ignorant) premises are false, the conclusion is of course, totally false.
What we have here is the usual dishonest bullshit of the dishonest religionists who want to impose their ignorance on others.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...%20vessels.

Cardiac tissue twitches secondary to electrical impulses. Twitching is not independent pumping. See link above. Twitching is not "beating".
The development of the structures which will eventually become a functioning, pumping heart takes a long time, well beyond the First Trimester,
and constantly change in the pregnancy before it's matured into a mature cardiac system, capable of supporting the fetus which actually does not really function as a human heart
until the umbilical circulation is detached at birth. The "pumping heart" issue is a lie, and total falsehood as religionist attempt to foist their own personal
ignorance of Embryology onto others they just hope are as ignorant as they are.
Anyone who has taken grade school beginning biology knows this. A fair number of hearts form with congenital anomalies and require surgery, emergently or somewhat soon after birth,
so their Intelligent Designer needs to get His ass back to design school.

A fetus is not a "baby". A baby is a developed fetus which has been born.
Religionists and others use the "baby" word in an attempt to introduce emotional language to prematurely preempt the discussion.
Who would want to harm a baby ?
A fetus is a potential baby, not an actual baby.
Apparently Aquinas' discussions about potentiality and actuality did not sink in here. It does not, early in the pregnancy even have a neural tube, from which the brain develops.
Religionists use this sort of ignorant dishonest emotional language in an attempt to falsely stake out the moral high-ground.

We here are not as stupid as this simplistic ignorance. He'll have to do better than this.

BTW, at least 50 % of all human pregnancies spontaneously abort. The "designer" did a horseshit job.
According to religionists, the gods are responsible for world events.
His gods have FAR FAR more than 2 billion on their hands.
Therefore gods set up this system, and are the most prolific abortionists in world history, and continue to practice abortion every day in their carefully intelligently designed (inefficient/imperfect) system the wonderful likes of which shine to the world as an example of His Goodness and Perfection. Amen.
I can make that into a syllogism ... with 2 premises and a conclusion which they must agree with, if they are actually Catholic believers.

Are these multiple threads not spamming this forum ?

[Angrboda]

There’s a popular story in Christian circles that’s literally too good to be true. According to legend, in the early 1900s, The Times of London sent an inquiry to a number of writers asking the question, “What’s wrong with the world today?” The Christian apologist G.K. Chesterton responded succinctly and profoundly: “Dear Sirs, I am.”

The real story is just as profound, but less succinct. In 1905 Chesterton wrote a much longer letter to London’s Daily News, and that letter included these sentences: “In one sense, and that the eternal sense, the thing is plain. The answer to the question ‘What is Wrong?’ is, or should be, ‘I am wrong.’ Until a man can give that answer his idealism is only a hobby.”

(Washington Post)

[The Grand Nudger]

And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

Amen, amen.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This thread is to discuss the Manifest Evil of Pre-Natal Infanticide, or so-called Abortion, or Abortion-Killing. Is it right or wrong, and how do we know?

Are you asking because your parents aborted you?

[Angrboda]