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Does your atheism come as a package?
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:11 pm (This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 12:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think it's more the case that even though we know that free will is bunk, we don't care, or at least we don't care in a way that might lead to acknowledgement. We've baked it into so much consequential shit that we aren't willing to abandon that it's truth is irrelevant and we'll come up with just about anything to salvage the idea.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:15 pm
I don't see it as any more right or wrong, or any more serious than any other aspect of folk psychology that we regularly take for granted. It's a model. An outdated one, but so is much else about the mind.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:19 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 11:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 20, 2023 at 10:14 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: No, I only experienced the illusion of choice.  I was always going to post that.

Bingo lolly. There’s no way to determine between actual free will and the illusion of free will.

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If there's no difference between genuine free will and the illusion of it, then why not just say you have free will and be done with it? It's like you don't even want to have free will.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:23 pm (This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 12:24 pm by FrustratedFool.)
For me, it's because I value truth and consistency and freewillnot existing seems to be the most plausible account of what is real and most consistent with materialism with what we know of the brain and things like the Libbet experiments.

I used to believe in freewill. Now I don't. I've become more left wing, more tolerant, less judgemental, and more forgiving as a result.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:27 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 7:54 am)no one Wrote: Yes, a very big package.

That's why I'm a real man!

You win.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:28 pm
Does all this overthinking help with life in some way?

I don't understand the usefulness of all these labels and lists.
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September 20, 2023 at 12:28 pm (This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 12:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Why not just say I'm a millionaire when I go in for a loan?  I wish I was.  Good enough for free will...right?

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Helped me. I guess it depends on what you're dealing with.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:29 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:23 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: For me, it's because I value truth and consistency and freewillnot existing seems to be the most plausible account of what is real and most consistent with materialism with what we know of the brain and things like the Libbet experiments.

I used to believe in freewill.  Now I don't.  I've become more left wing, more tolerant, less judgemental, and more forgiving as a result.

I didn't know a political ideology could do all that. My Little Pony made me the opposite of all those things.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:31 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:19 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 20, 2023 at 11:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Bingo lolly. There’s no way to determine between actual free will and the illusion of free will.

Boru

If there's no difference between genuine free will and the illusion of it, then why not just say you have free will and be done with it? It's like you don't even want to have free will.

I don’t say I have free will, because there’s no way to determine if I do. That said, I behave as if I have free will.

It’s not a question of wanting or not wanting free will. Whether I have free will or not would make absolutely no difference in my life. I don’t spend a lot of time fretting about it.

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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:31 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why not just say I'm a millionaire when I go in for a loan?  I wish I was.  Good enough for free will...right?

You can be proven to not be a millionaire. Free will can't be proven false.
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