More protests Against The Theocratic Regime in Iran

[Thumpalumpacus]

Actually, China still buys Iranian oil and just doesn't care how many people the Iranian regime kill for whatever reason. That's because they want oil and not rectitude.

The US still buys millions of dollars worth of uranium every year from Russia.

And what does that have to do with Iranian oil sales?

[The Grand Nudger]

Indeed, we bought almost two whole days worth of the russian war bill between 2022 and 2024.

Ore, yes. Now if they had enriched it for us first, no. At this point, probably not enriched. The Belaquabot should provide us with all providers of uranium to the US, and the percentages thereof. C'mon, Belaquabot, bring it.

FWIW, if Oz has enough uranium in a form the US can use, I'd consider it better bought there. I'm sure that I'm ignorant enough, sitting here at my PC, that I don't know.

Ukraine buys russian uranium and metals as well. Other necessary things too. In fact, if it weren't for russian imports of these things, and weapons, ukraine could not continue defending itself against the russian invasion as it has. Most countries have these weird ass exceptions to things they buy, even from enemies and nations under sanctions. What's far more concerning to ukraine and to the us would be russian oil exports, and the import of dual use american tech through china.

[Paleophyte]

The first thing I want to say is that the minimum wage in Iran is 183 Dollars / Month. Many middle school kids in the West have more pocket money than that.There is no greater madness than the madness of “religiously inclined” people in this world. (83 Dolars / month. Are you kidding me?”

A naive analysis of Iranian problems based on US currency. It's as meaningful to suggest that average monthly expenses in Iran are only $400 for a family of three, so it must be paradise.

[Leonardo17]

Nudger:
 
- That’s one possible interpretation
 
Boru:
 
- Are you saying you are indifferent to the breakdown of this corrupt / fascist regime?
 
(I might stop bothering you with these threads if that’s the case)
 
Belaqua:
 
This is a very good point. Populist around the world are acting in a way that is based on this type of approach.
 
So you guys are not entirely wrong on these things. There would be no Mussolini or Augusto Pinoche if you were entirely wrong. I know a lot about German Nazism for instance. Germans were willing to die a painful death for their leaders. Some of them still do. I also know about the Japs in WWII. No one should underestimate the power of individuals to be the one to deceive themselves at very high levels.
 
But we can still choose logic and “love” instead of these fear based pessimistic way of doing things.
 
See the only difference between Iran and Turkey is that some 100 years ago the Shah called Pahlawi (who was an army general at the time) had decided to become a king instead of proclaiming the Republic. Something similar happened in Afghanistan that used to be a civilized country at some point. We, on the other hand were blessed by some anti-monarchist individuals who were working to end the Ottoman Empire and create a secular logic-based society instead.
 
I’m not saying we are living in paradise in this country (Turkey). But still: I am not afraid of cops for instance. I went to many demonstrations to. I know that my cops are mainly there to protect me. Stuff are happening here too. But nothing like the execution of 1500 people / year whose only crime is the end of this F.ed up Mullah regime.
 
So you are right on some issues. Most of the stuff here are based on Newtonian physics. That’s the kind of stuff that is based on Quantum mechanics (or that’s how I see it).
 
So I believe in choosing the right stuff too. While I agree with what you are saying. Many things in this world have and will continue to go south because of the things you’ve said. But in the end “We are the people” right?
 
As in “Wir sind das Volk” in German*
 
“wir sind das Volk“ is an East-Germany slogan against the communist regime in the 80’s. Today’s AFD (the fascist/racist German Political Party) is using the same slogan for it’s anti-migration agenda.
 
Thumpalumpacus:
 
- They are doing what India is doing to Russia: They are buying it on a reduced price.
 
… and they keep harassing Taiwan.
 
Paleophyte:
 
Turkey is a neighboring country of Iran. The living standards here are not that different from Iran. But our countries are not that cheaper from Europe etc. anymore. Many daily consumption items are actually more expensive than in European countries. Rent, school fees, energy, electricity etc. are not that cheap either (that was in the 1980’s and 1990’s). The minimum wage here is currently 650 $ (that is set to go down to 400 $ toward the end of the year because of inflation).
 
So I am guessing that Iranians working for 186 $ / month must simply be unable to nourish themselves, heat themselves, or heal themselves as they are supposed to.
 
But the situation is the same in Venezuela. This is the 21st century. All nations (including the US and Israel) need to behave in a certain way so that they are accepted and approved by what we call “The International Community”. No one can simply do his or her own stuff in his or her corner anymore.
 
/ As I told Belaqua, I think some people are too ego-oriented and have surrendered to their own very lies that they cannot see how irrational they have all become.
 
I am seriously talking to my own higher self on these issues. Being a fool is just one level of stupidity. Being a fool with the stamp of God (and I don’t only mean Islam when I am saying that) that’s a whole different universe of stupidity. I hope that at least some of them will be lucky to realise this in the coming New Year.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

Boru:
 
- Are you saying you are indifferent to the breakdown of this corrupt / fascist regime?
 
(I might stop bothering you with these threads if that’s the case) 
 

What I’m indifferent to are your long-winded discursive threads that are poorly thought out, don’t seem to make any real points, and consist of little more than rather banal observations.

Nothing about your threads bothers me. You’re about as troublesome in my world as a cloudy day.

Boru

[Leonardo17]

Well, sorry about that. But that’s the way I’ve been posting comments and starting discussions since the early days of the Internet.

The main issue here for me is to make a statement. If there is but one message that I am trying to send through these comments that is that I am in total disagreement with some ways of practicing and living religion.

The simplistic atheist approach is that religion is something useless and evil to begin with. So according to you those more extreme formats of theism are correct and that I am the one who is messing it up through most of these posts.

But that’s simply not the way I think. I am someone who believe in human weaknesses and our overall tendency to make intellectual errors (in many cases because these errors are supporting our own ego-based agenda).

And one think that I am sure of is this: We are evolving beings right? Nothing in our societies is remaining as it is. Not art, not music, not medicine, not gender roles, not politics, nothing.

So why would I feel obliged to accept that attitudes that are related to pure savagery and barbarism can have anything to do with what I would call “a more correct way of living and experiencing the spiritual and religious dimensions of our lives”?

On a personal level I’m so done with these things. To me nonsense still remains nonsense even if somebody somehow managed to put the stamp of God on it.

These are nuances in the ways we are thinking. You being right about some stuff does not make me entirely wrong if you see what I mean.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, sorry about that. But that’s the way I’ve been posting comments and starting discussions since the early days of the Internet.

The main issue here for me is to make a statement. If there is but one message that I am trying to send through these comments that is that I am in total disagreement with some ways of practicing and living religion.

The simplistic atheist approach is that religion is something useless and evil to begin with. So according to you those more extreme formats of theism are correct and that I am the one who is messing it up through most of these posts.

But that’s simply not the way I think. I am someone who believe in human weaknesses and our overall tendency to make intellectual errors (in many cases because these errors are supporting our own ego-based agenda).

And one think that I am sure of is this: We are evolving beings right? Nothing in our societies is remaining as it is. Not art, not music, not medicine, not gender roles, not politics, nothing.

So why would I feel obliged to accept that attitudes that are related to pure savagery and barbarism can have anything to do with what I would call “a more correct way of living and experiencing the spiritual and religious dimensions of our lives”?

On a personal level I’m so done with these things. To me nonsense still remains nonsense even if somebody somehow managed to put the stamp of God on it.

These are nuances in the ways we are thinking. You being right about some stuff does not make me entirely wrong if you see what I mean.

You miss my point entirely. I haven’t said that you’re wrong about anything (except for the post where you claimed to have possibly solved the Gaza genocide).

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Extremist is a pejorative term for someone who believes in something more than you do.

[Angrboda]

I am someone who believe in human weaknesses and our overall tendency to make intellectual errors (in many cases because these errors are supporting our own ego-based agenda).

[emphasis mine]

Not a hint of irony.

[Leonardo17]

Let’s forget our individual differences and focus on what is really happening. I found a new news-channel called VX. Here is their report:





 
 
At least 7 protesters have already lost their lives. The U.S. President Donald Trump is warning the regime against any brutal mass killing of the people who are struggling for democratic change in their country.

I believe That Iran has turned into the Venezuela of the Middle East in many ways. I think that it belongs more to the 1980’s or 1990’s than to the second quarter of the 21st century in terms of both the sociology of Iran and the political reality of the Middle-East.
 
Some say it will become another failed state if the Mullahs were to go. I don’t agree with that. There are plenty of educated people who can draft the constitution of a secular republic there. And the Shah in exile is also saying to assist the Iranian people in a transition to a more democratic regime.
 
What do you think about that?