US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[Ivan Denisovich]

Yes, they sacrificed the lives of (tens of!) millions of other people for their own ideas of a modern socialist society, the lives of millions of people (re read my previous post if you will) who didnt want to be part of this "experiment" in the first place. Sorry, if i am not impressed at all, particularly since my family was in the midst of this. But who cares of these many unnamed strangers, right? You clearly dont.

Maybe i should get my dad (who is 88 now) to give you a small lesson about that, since he lived under Stalin, for 10 years, being german.

It’s not that a modern socialist society would be a bad thing, it’s just 1) Stalin wasn’t a socialist and 2) he went about it in a nightmarishly bad way.

Boru

I don't know what definition of socialism you use so I won't argue about Stalin being one. I however never had cause to doubt that he was anything other than faithful marxist-leninist. As far as I am concerned Soviet leaders till Brezhnev believed in marxism-leninism and Khrushchev even promised to build communism in 20 years. Sure, he might have lied but at this stage of existence of Soviet ideocracy faith was still alive, at least in my view.

What would be a good way of building socialist society? Here is what Martin Malia in his book "History Locomotives" is saying about socialism:

All of which indicates that socialism is much more than an economic project or the logical product of industrial development. Indeed, enough has already been said to indicate that socialism is a total project, aiming as it does at transcending present society completely and creating a whole new world and a new man. In other words, socialism is not something that exists or has existed in the real world; it is a utopia".

I agree with these words so I easily admit that I have no idea how socialist society could be built. And to make things perfectly clear I don't consider welfare state to be socialism.

And of course there is also conundrum about what differentiates socialism from communism:

Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate. Karl Marx used the terms interchangeably. For many, however, the difference can be seen in the two phases of communism as outlined by Marx. The first is a transitional system in which the working class controls the government and economy yet still pays people according to how long, hard, or well they work. Capitalism and private property exist, though to a limited degree. This phase is widely regarded as socialism. However, in Marx’s fully realized communism, society has no class divisions or government or personal property. The production and distribution of goods is based upon the principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

I agree that Stalin fucked up but he was given (or to be honest he took on himself with startling brutality) task that could not be fulfilled.

[Leonardo17]

Ivan Denisovich:
 
“That's tough. I had chosen my words deliberately.”
 
- No. I mean swear words. Too much swear words makes me feel uncomfortable in an intellectual conversation
 
“So you're time traveler? You believe that Iran wouldn't have backed down but your belief isn't reality.”
 
- Come on.
 
“It's only your conjecture. You clearly have some animus against Iran which colors your perspective so obviously I'm genuinely amazed you can't see it.”
 
- No I just have my opinions. But they are not just my opinions. I’m a Turkish citizen and Iran is a neighboring country. We even have an Iranian diaspora that lives here, many since several decades. The founder of the Turkish republic had very close ties to Reza Pahlavi (The Grandfather of the present Prince in Exile). So I happen to know some of the stuff that people in the West (or even in Israel) do not know.
 
Today Netanyahu used the term “Barbarian” to describe the IRI.
 
- That’s not the issue here. This is more like a political ideology that is based on some perverted version of Islam that has a modus operandi similar to the State Apparatus of Venezuela under Maduro (I mean a mafia state or a party state).
 
And as I said. If you wanted to negotiate, why did you move away from the already signed nuclear treaty in 2018. Do you want deals or do you want war or do you want both? It seems to me that it is your president who is failing to make up his mind entirely. Even Russia + China are silent at this point. Because they don’t know what Crazy Hair (that’s how we call him here) is going to do next.
 
And I don’t either. That’s why I am asking for how you see this moving forward? What is the solution according to you? (I mean everyone)
 
“You sure do. Examples of this critical mindset are praising SU for irrelevant shit like first astronaut in space and ignoring that it was guilty of genocide and helped to start WWII? Or perhaps you show this allege critical mindset by saying that you start to like trump? If anything I judge you far less severely than I perhaps should.”
 
- They didn’t start WWII.
 
Desse24: Did the USSR play a role in the starting of WWII? Didn’t Hitler initiate a surprise attack on the USSR violating the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact?
 
“trump isn't a populist leader. He is fascist but for some reason you can't bring yourself to admit it. Quite curious I must say.
Opposition obviously can be wrong, but opposition to trump being wrong is, let's just say not really probable.”
 
- Don’t be so aggressive. We are on the same page on this. We all saw what happened in Minneapolis and we are currently with the American people holding on to their democratic rights in the face of these “assaults on Reason” as Mr. Al Gore defines them. So you do not need to be worried on this front
 
“Get some education and then I might deign to explain a few things about SU to you. You flatter yourself shamelessly if you think that you're a partner to discussion about USSR to someone who wrote his master's thesis about USSR early history (and it's influence on Poland independence) and then studied it for years.”
 
- You are right. I only know the basics. Sorry about that.
 
“Since communism is end stage of Marx dream, a stateless, classless and moneyless society there were no communist regimes in world history. There were regimes that claimed that they will build it but that's something quite different.”
 
- These were “proletariat dictatorships” or regimes that were being referred to as “socialist”. So this is what I call “a different social contract” Many people in these days believed it to be a better social contract in comparison to the capitalistic, consumerist and imperialistic West. Putin makes the same analogy today. But Putin’s Russia is no longer a socialist state. So Putin is doing this freely. Back in these days there was something behind these words. Today there is none. That’s all I have been trying to say.
“I can say that communism is not a part of human history because there never was such thing as communism. Lenin supposedly wanted to build communism, hell it was official SU doctrine till Khrushchev but it was never built.
USSR did defeated fascism. With help of western allies which you conveniently forget. It also helped fascists to start a WWII which you also conveniently forget. Quite telling I must say”
 
- If I am correct WWII happened with the rise of fascist leaders like Mussolini and Hitler (who came after him). Hitler built an army (in violation of the treaty of Versailles). Then he started annexing countries like Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland Etc. That’s when the Allies declared war but were caught unaware and Paris fell within days, the Maginot line was completely useless and British troops merely avoided being taking prisoners by the Wehrmacht.
 
So how did Stalin start all of this?
 
“Or what?
I advise you to get some actual education before you will start to yammer on the subjects you know less than nothing.”
 
- Or I may stop discussing with you. This is a time for me to relax through some basic intellectual work. I’m not looking for enemies in the other side of the globe. Neither are you right?
 
“Great Terror sure was rational. Or Holodomor. Or sending millions to GULag instead of using them in productive work. You have some peculiar definition of rationality it seems.”
 
Are you of East European Origin? Do you hate the USSR?
 
- I never said that they were good guys. Modern China is practicing forceful assimilation of the Uighur Turks in it’s Western provinces. This isn’t such a “rational” thing to do either. But they have been doing it for decades. And many nations (even my own) are still talking to the Chinese. Their state apparatus is rational. When they make promises they keep it. They are reliable trade partners. So even a right wing İslamic Nationalist government like the one in Turkey right now, is more than ready to make business with them.
 
/ Iran on the other hand, seemed to move toward that direction in the 2010’s. Especially during the US presence in Afghanistan. But everything started to go South after the death of Mahsa Amini. It’s not what I would call a “rational actor”. Meaning: If they signed a peace treaty today, would it have more value more than a treaty signed by Putin without security guarantees to end the war in Ukraine? (That’s what I am asking)
 
“If I would live near (relatively) israel a known genocidal regime with nuclear weapon I too would like to have nuclear weapon.”
 
- You know: I think you are right about this. But there is also this: The US has enormous power on Israel that it can use if deemed necessary. All of the weapons of Israel (almost all of it) come from the US.
 
And I am not stopping you: Go and write to your congressmen. Tell them to ban weapon exports to Israel. Did you think I would object to it?
 
“Yet it is them who are only defending themselves.”
 
NO. They have proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen. They are actively attacking Israel. They organized the October 7 attacks (perhaps even with the help of some Russian elements). And when you attack a sovereign country like this you are in War. The US is an ally of Israel and it was Joe Biden who stepped in at the time and said that they (you) would support Israel in this war.
 
“That you're wrong is beyond question. I don't owe you any explanation. Educate yourself and maybe you will grasp why cheering for imperialist attacking sovereign countries isn't thing to be proud of.”
 
You may be right on this one. This is just my opinion. In fact I don’t believe in Netanyahu nor in the US. I believe in the Iranian Crown Prince. I’m only daring to imagine that maybe this (diabolical) regime will fall and their monarch will return and Iran will be a truly sovereign country then.
 
How can you say that they are a “sovereign” country when they are being ruled by monsters?
 
Just look at this guys:
 
 
 

I wouldn’t give them the key to my car in a parking lot and they are ruling an entire country.
 
 
BrianSoddingBoru:
 
“It’s not that a modern socialist society would be a bad thing, it’s just 1) Stalin wasn’t a socialist and 2) he went about it in a nightmarishly bad way.”
 
- I would be ready to explore this subject perhaps in a thread in the “History” part of this forum.
 
- There were socialist principles in Warsaw-Pact countries. There was at least an attempt to implement socialist principles. But the way I see it, Socialism became some sort of religion. They did lots of talking and they were able to put fewer of these principles into practice (although they wanted to).
 
/ This isn’t the main subject here but I would be more than willing to read your posts on this subject in separate thread in the History part of this forum.

[Thumpalumpacus]

- They [the USSR] didn’t start WWII.

[...]

So how did Stalin start all of this?

You're flaunting your historical ignorance. The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact made the German invasion of Poland possible by ensuring that not only would Germany not have to fight the USSR (which was Hitler's only real concern in Aug 1939), but ensured that the USSR would actively participate in Poland's dismemberment.

In other words, the USSR invaded Poland as well, albeit a couple of weeks later.

If you're going to argue a particular point you owe it to yourself and your readers to have a command of the facts.

[The Grand Nudger]

How can you say that they are a “sovereign” country when they are being ruled by monsters?

Doesn't get in the way of our sovereignty either.

[Ivan Denisovich]

No. I mean swear words. Too much swear words makes me feel uncomfortable in an intellectual conversation

And that is why you constantly spout idiocies and show your ignorance to the world?
 

Come on.

Put up or shut up. You have no way of knowing what Iran would do.
 

No I just have my opinions. But they are not just my opinions. I’m a Turkish citizen and Iran is a neighboring country. We even have an Iranian diaspora that lives here, many since several decades. The founder of the Turkish republic had very close ties to Reza Pahlavi (The Grandfather of the present Prince in Exile). So I happen to know some of the stuff that people in the West (or even in Israel) do not know.

You don't know things that schoolchildren in Poland do so I take your claims about some special knowledge with wagonload of salt. You don't have any special insight in anything. What you have is ignorance and obvious bias coupled with sympathy to genocidal regime.
 

Today Netanyahu used the term “Barbarian” to describe the IRI.

How scary. However it is netanyahu country that is guilty of genocide.
 

That’s not the issue here. This is more like a political ideology that is based on some perverted version of Islam that has a modus operandi similar to the State Apparatus of Venezuela under Maduro (I mean a mafia state or a party state).

So?
 

They didn’t start WWII.

Perhaps it is a reading comprehension course that you should take first, before getting actual education. Nobody written that they started it. So I ask again where are examples of this alleged critical mindset of yours? Praising SU for irrelevant shit like first astronaut in space and ignoring that it was guilty of genocide and helped to start WWII counts as it?
 

Did the USSR play a role in the starting of WWII? Didn’t Hitler initiate a surprise attack on the USSR violating the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact?

Perhaps use Wikipedia for once in your life to see what R-M pact was about. Maybe light of knowledge will illuminate you then but I sincerely doubt it.
 

Don’t be so aggressive. We are on the same page on this. We all saw what happened in Minneapolis and we are currently with the American people holding on to their democratic rights in the face of these “assaults on Reason” as Mr. Al Gore defines them. So you do not need to be worried on this front

Don't be so fucking ignorant.

We aren't on the same side. I'm not an apologist for genocidal regime nor I am a fan of trump. You're both.
 

You are right. I only know the basics. Sorry about that.

You don't even know the basics.
 

These were “proletariat dictatorships” or regimes that were being referred to as “socialist”. So this is what I call “a different social contract” Many people in these days believed it to be a better social contract in comparison to the capitalistic, consumerist and imperialistic West. Putin makes the same analogy today. But Putin’s Russia is no longer a socialist state. So Putin is doing this freely. Back in these days there was something behind these words. Today there is none. That’s all I have been trying to say.

SU sure was a dictatorship but if you have even most cursory knowledge of history then you should know that is sure as shit wasn't proletarian one; party ruled in there. It might have been referred as socialist (it even had socialism in name and Brezhnev talked something about really existing socialism if memory serves) but since means of production weren't in worker hands it wasn't socialism.

Back in the day bolsheviks were idealists on some high level (as in wanting to create communism) and it might have lasted till Brezhnev when system became increasingly ossified and routine replaced ideological fervor but this something behind words was mostly terror.

If I am correct WWII happened with the rise of fascist leaders like Mussolini and Hitler (who came after him).

You're not correct. While Poles would claim that WWII started on 1.9.1939 one can easily say that it started few days later with France and GB joining the war, or alternatively when Japan (German ally) attacked USA. To be fair I saw some hypotheses about war starting far earlier but those were just that hypotheses.

There are years between Hitler rise to power and start of the war (and even longer period between Mussolini ascent and war).

Hitler built an army (in violation of the treaty of Versailles). Then he started annexing countries like Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland Etc.

You're conflating annexation with invasion and occupation. There are also differences between anschluss and Czechoslovakia case. You would do yourself a great favor if you would merely checked Wikipedia. It's certainly good enough to give you basics of basics.

That’s when the Allies declared war but were caught unaware and Paris fell within days, the Maginot line was completely useless and British troops merely avoided being taking prisoners by the Wehrmacht.

Allies were caught unaware how? There is quite some time between start of the war, fall of Paris and Dunkirk. Yet again I recommend Wiki - basics of basics are what you sorely need.
 

So how did Stalin start all of this?

Stalin starting all of this is just your strawman.

I will quote Thumpalumpacus on that as he already answered: The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact made the German invasion of Poland possible by ensuring that not only would Germany not have to fight the USSR (which was Hitler's only real concern in Aug 1939), but ensured that the USSR would actively participate in Poland's dismemberment.

In other words, the USSR invaded Poland as well, albeit a couple of weeks later.
 

Or I may stop discussing with you. This is a time for me to relax through some basic intellectual work. I’m not looking for enemies in the other side of the globe. Neither are you right?

You aren't discussing with me. You're woefully underequipped to have a discussion; you merely receive a spanking.
 

Are you of East European Origin? Do you hate the USSR?

Deflection? How nice. Now answer my question: were Great Terror, Holodomor or sending millions to GULag instead of using them in productive work rational?
 

I never said that they were good guys. Modern China is practicing forceful assimilation of the Uighur Turks in it’s Western provinces. This isn’t such a “rational” thing to do either. But they have been doing it for decades. And many nations (even my own) are still talking to the Chinese. Their state apparatus is rational. When they make promises they keep it. They are reliable trade partners. So even a right wing İslamic Nationalist government like the one in Turkey right now, is more than ready to make business with them.

China while it have it's share of problems and oppression isn't SU and thus is irrelevant to the talk.
 

Iran on the other hand, seemed to move toward that direction in the 2010’s. Especially during the US presence in Afghanistan. But everything started to go South after the death of Mahsa Amini. It’s not what I would call a “rational actor”. Meaning: If they signed a peace treaty today, would it have more value more than a treaty signed by Putin without security guarantees to end the war in Ukraine? (That’s what I am asking)

Why would Iran sign a peace treaty? To get attacked again when genocidal scum and orange imperialist will decide that they need another war? If they would sign a treaty it would be meaningless but not because Iran alleged irrationality but because one can't trust israel or trump USA.
 

You know: I think you are right about this. But there is also this: The US has enormous power on Israel that it can use if deemed necessary. All of the weapons of Israel (almost all of it) come from the US.

As things stand now it tail (israel) that is wagging the dog (USA). USA does have power over israel but as long as it is unwilling to use it then it matters not.
 

And I am not stopping you: Go and write to your congressmen. Tell them to ban weapon exports to Israel. Did you think I would object to it?

What gave you the idea that I have a congressmen? That aside yes, I think you would object it considering that you simping for israel constantly.
 

NO. They have proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen. They are actively attacking Israel. They organized the October 7 attacks (perhaps even with the help of some Russian elements). And when you attack a sovereign country like this you are in War. The US is an ally of Israel and it was Joe Biden who stepped in at the time and said that they (you) would support Israel in this war.

Iran was behind Oct. 7? Prove it.

More to the point what october 7 have to do with the current war started by israel?

Also how can you say that israel is sovereign country when it is ruled by a monster whose regime is guilty of genocide?
 

You may be right on this one. This is just my opinion. In fact I don’t believe in Netanyahu nor in the US. I believe in the Iranian Crown Prince. I’m only daring to imagine that maybe this (diabolical) regime will fall and their monarch will return and Iran will be a truly sovereign country then.

If this is how you write when you don't believe in trump or netanyahu I wonder how worshipful you would be if you would believe in them.
 

How can you say that they are a “sovereign” country when they are being ruled by monsters?

Easily. Look what sovereign means.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Republicans are bracing for President Trump to deploy U.S. troops on the ground in Iran as the conflict in the Middle East crosses into its third week with no signs of slowing down.

The administration is reportedly weighing missions to secure a safe passage for oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz and overtake Iran’s Kharg Island, an industrial hub in the Persian Gulf that handles 90 percent of Iran’s oil exports.

Fears that Trump will decide to send troops into Iran have been fueled by news that the Pentagon is speeding up the deployment of thousands of additional Marines and sailors to the U.S. Central Command (Centcom) area, even as the president denied that he will be sending additional manpower.

“No, I’m not putting troops anywhere,” Trump said at the White House on Thursday.

“If I were, I certainly wouldn’t tell you,” the president told reporters.

The U.S. military buildup has continued to swell as the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which consisted of at least 2,200 Marines, departed from San Diego on amphibious assault ship USS Boxer and will head to the Middle East, days after another unit of Marines and sailors was ordered to join from the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/57940...ops-trump/

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

How can you say that they are a “sovereign” country when they are being ruled by monsters?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Germany under the Third Reich was a sovereign country. Uganda under Amin was a sovereign country. Cambodia/Kampuchea under Pol Pot was a sovereign country. One has nothing to do with the other.

Boru

[Leonardo17]

Ivan Denisovich:
 
“So?”
 
So I’m not an expert. But I have some basic knowledge on stuff. The USSR was not anything like western democracies. Such an ideology is even outdated in our time. But it used to be a superpower. You should see the movie “Goodbye Lenin” (2003). It’s about the life of an East German family who has to adapt very quickly to German reunification and the switch to a capitalist society. So it’s not just in history books. These are lives, decades of indoctrination into values that are radically different from our values here inside liberal democracies. So if you know a lot about 20th century history, you should be fascinated by the communist-block. Yes they are a relic of the past. But No, they were not really evil. At least not like the IRI.
 
So back to your question. Today international aid arrived in Cuba and what D. Trump is doing there is illegal under international law. You cannot just cut off a sovereign countries oil supply and decide that their regime has got to go because you want it so. So we are on the same page here.
 
/But Cuba does not have a ballistic missile program nor does it have a uranium enrichment program. It also does not operate proxies that are threatening the US + its allies. Cuba does not support terrorism either. Just like Venezuela, they just terrorize just their own population. Both none of these countries are sponsors of international terrorism.
 
“We aren't on the same side. I'm not an apologist for genocidal regime nor I am a fan of trump. You're both.”
 
- You are right. Maybe I wanted this to work too much and maybe I am missing some of the signs here. But what if it works? The two are not complete D….es either. What if the IRI simply collapses?
 
And next question for you:
 
- What if the IRI holds on? The same intellectuals who criticize D. Trump + Israel are also saying that the IRI will not be able to hold on for too long anyhow. (It’s just a question)
 
 
“SU sure was a dictatorship but if you have even most cursory knowledge of history then you should know that is sure as shit wasn't proletarian one; party ruled in there. It might have been referred as socialist (it even had socialism in name and Brezhnev talked something about really existing socialism if memory serves) but since means of production weren't in worker hands it wasn't socialism.
Back in the day bolsheviks were idealists on some high level (as in wanting to create communism) and it might have lasted till Brezhnev when system became increasingly ossified and routine replaced ideological fervor but this something behind words was mostly terror.”
 
-Yes. That’s how I see it too. But you cannot say they were not socialist at all. What is the average tuition in the USA? You probably know that it was 0 in the USSR right? Or do you have a health insurance? They all had free health insurance in the USSR. What about abortion rights? – They still sent Valentina Tereshkova to space (20 years before Sally Ride).
 
But I still agree that there were many cracks in the system. And that’s how it collapsed. All I said is that it was not a suicidal regime like fascism and that in was not founded on irrationality from the very beginning as it is the case of the Ayatollahs.
 
“There are years between Hitler rise to power and start of the war (and even longer period between Mussolini ascent and war).”
 
- And if the world had reacted as soon as Hitler started to rebuild the Wehrmacht there would be no WWII. If France + GB had attack him as soon as he took the demilitarized region in Rhineland 40 million Europeans would have a shot at living longer
 
“You're conflating annexation with invasion and occupation. There are also differences between anschluss and Czechoslovakia case. You would do yourself a great favor if you would merely checked Wikipedia. It's certainly good enough to give you basics of basics.”
 
- It’s not in Wikipedia, it’s on CNN. Despite Trump moving away from it, European leaders (who probably know European history better than you) are seeing how history has started to repeat itself and are stopping the new wannabe Hitler in Rhineland before the Sudetes, before Austria, before other parts of Czechoslovakia and before Poland.  
 
“Allies were caught unaware how? There is quite some time between start of the war, fall of Paris and Dunkirk. Yet again I recommend Wiki - basics of basics are what you sorely need”
 
- Don’t worry. I did go to school when I was a kid. The French entrenched themselves in the Maginot line. They would either stop them there or they would stop them with tanks in the north near Belgium. But German Tanks came very quickly over Belgium rendering the Maginot line useless. Then there was panic. People started fleeing to the south. And the Brits merely saved their soldier in Dunkirk.
 
All these years or months they acted very passively and when they acted it was already too late at least for the 10 million Jews who were exterminated in this war.
 
See that’s what I mean by “rational player”. The Nazis used trains + other resources to exterminate humans who were considered “too harmful to be left alive”. These are signs of irrationality. You cannot make deals with such irrational regimes. And Europe learned this the hard way.
 
 “Stalin starting all of this is just your strawman.
I will quote Thumpalumpacus on that as he already answered: The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact made the German invasion of Poland possible by ensuring that not only would Germany not have to fight the USSR (which was Hitler's only real concern in Aug 1939), but ensured that the USSR would actively participate in Poland's dismemberment.
In other words, the USSR invaded Poland as well, albeit a couple of weeks later.”
 
- Yes this is one of the most intriguing parts of WWII. But if I am correct the USSR was already treating Poland like it treated Ukraine in our days. Lenin had attempted to annex it but was unable to do that. Lenin had thought that Polish workers would welcome the Red Army as liberators from capitalist exploitation. But instead they saw it as their national duty to protect their country.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
 
- So maybe Stalin simply took the opportunity.
 
“Now answer my question: were Great Terror, Holodomor or sending millions to GULag instead of using them in productive work rational?”
 
- There is a 1997 Brad Pitt Movies called “Seven years in Tibet”. In this movie you can see how aggressive and ruthless the communist were toward the Tibetans who were very spiritual people. And that’s how communist cultural revolutions work. Trotsky wouldn’t have approved it. But that’s how Lenin + Stalin operated. It’s called “cultural revolution”.
 
“Why would Iran sign a peace treaty? To get attacked again when genocidal scum and orange imperialist will decide that they need another war? If they would sign a treaty it would be meaningless but not because Iran alleged irrationality but because one can't trust Israel or trump USA.”
 
- This is unfortunately true. There was a deal in 2018 and in the 2010’s Iran was at least seemingly willing to be integrated to the global economy and tries to act like a “rational player” on many occasions.
 
To this I will add that this is the most right wing Israeli government ever. So Trump moved away from the already signed treaty. As Israel got attacked by Iranian Proxies. Full stop. How do you solve this today?
 
I am not an apologist for Israel. DO you want Israel to be wiped from the map? – I don’t I think they can keep their land as long as they remove all of these settlers from Palestinian lands.
 
Are you an anti-Zionist all together? What’s your approach on this?
 
“What gave you the idea that I have a congressmen? That aside yes, I think you would object it considering that you simping for israel constantly.”
 
There has been the Abraham accords recently. Almost all Muslim Nations have approved of the right of Israel to exist. Only Iran doesn’t recognize that.
 
“Iran was behind Oct. 7? Prove it.
More to the point what october 7 have to do with the current war started by israel?
Also how can you say that israel is sovereign country when it is ruled by a monster whose regime is guilty of genocide?”
 
- Houtis + Hamas + Hezbolah are all Iranian proxies who are trained and financed by Iran.
 
“If this is how you write when you don't believe in trump or netanyahu I wonder how worshipful you would be if you would believe in them.”
 
BrianSoddingBoru:
 
(Is Iran a Sovereign country?”
 
I think we should wait and see a little. All I know is that Iran is doing a lot of damage in this conflict too. So I cannot keep myself from thinking, “What If Israel didn’t attack them in June” or better: “If D. Trump walks away tomorrow, what happens say in 5 years?”
 
Adain to Denisovich: Do you believe that Israel should simply be eradicated?
 
If no: How are they supposed to defend themselves?
 
Do not think that I approve of genocide. I also think that what’s happening in Lebanon right now is not very nice either. But if you don’t remove the Ayatollah, they will keep selling oil to China and finance militant groups all over the place and ordinary Arabs (including Christian and Sunni Arabs) will be paying the price.
 
You know in sociology, this is the type of situation that leads to genocides. At some point humanity, reason and logic disappear and there is simply “kill of be killed”.
 
So what if this is what they are trying to do this time (I mean in Iran)? And what if it works?
 
I think it can work. It’s possible.

[Jackalope]

I won't quote or link it here, but TFG's latest ultimatum to Iran leaves me with no doubt whatsoever that the man is insane and he has zero idea what he's doing.

[Fake Messiah]

You mean where he is threatening war crimes, not to mention the biggest global energy crisis in history.

Trump said in a social media post Saturday evening that he would “hit and obliterate” Iran’s power plants, beginning with the biggest one, if it didn’t open the strait within 48 hours.

The comments from Trump, on his Truth Social media platform, marked a dramatic escalation in the US president’s rhetoric about the strait, a day after he said he was thinking about “winding down” the military operation and that the responsibility for policing Hormuz would fall to the countries reliant on shipping through the corridor.

https://fortune.com/2026/03/21/trump-ira...er-plants/