US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[Paleophyte]

I don’t know if that is a bad move by D. Trump.

That's because you're an idiot. This is the same Trump that couldn't get the navy to protect shipping through the Strait last week. Now you think that he's going to blockade the Strait and charge for passage? Tell me what's going to happen when he can't make good on that. Or when he tries to stop a Chinese ship and they tell him to kindly go fuck himself. The man-child is a mental midget who heard that the Ayatollahs stood to make good money from this and figured that he could too. This won't do anything to help Iran or anybody else.

[Leonardo17]

Awty:
 
I am reposting my own message so you can read it:
 
“For instance the LGBTQ+ movement is being served to ordinary people as some sort of political movement with the secret agenda of eradicating heterosexual behavior, normal families and marriages. And with our culture of social media functioning in a totally unchecked manner, it’s very easy to fool average voters with things like that.”
 
/Yes there are (were) on Orban’s side of political propaganda AI generated images in which a transgender male individual was lecturing kindergarten children about his “LGBT Propaganda”
 
So I said what I said. It’s your issue if you don’t get it
 
Angrboda:
 
- Yes but previous sanctions were mostly hitting ordinary people more than the regime itself. D. Trump blockading Iranian ports will result in IRG’s going bankrupt. And that’s a good thing.
 
+ I’m not saying D. Trump is going to do this. But extremist elements will need to be eliminated at some point. It’s the only possibility for the future of the entire region.
 
Paleophyte:
 
- If the subject of the debate is D. Trump I don’t want to say anything that would seem too grandiose either.
 
But the US can stop incoming and outgoing ships in International even in Iranian waters (there is a war going on right?)
 
But I have a question for everyone:
 
- What is it with this whole “negotiation” and “making a deal” thing? In his first mandate he met with the “brilliant young man” in North Korea who agreed to build nuclear armed ballistic missiles that could hit South-Korea as we speak. Then he made an agreement with Putin to go on with his unprovoked war of aggression. He talked to the Iranian who agreed to keep enriching Uranium after 5 years instead of 20. Now he is talking to Lebanon without the presence of the Hezbollah who is the de-facto state apparatus in Lebanon.
 
Do you think this is diplomacy? If not then what is this thing?

[Angrboda]

Angrboda:
 
- Yes but previous sanctions were mostly hitting ordinary people more than the regime itself. D. Trump blockading Iranian ports will result in IRG’s going bankrupt. And that’s a good thing.
 
+ I’m not saying D. Trump is going to do this. But extremist elements will need to be eliminated at some point. It’s the only possibility for the future of the entire region.

You don't seem to understand how regimes work. The people suffer before the regime, and the peons suffer before the leadership. The regime isn't going to be suffering anytime soon.

[Deesse23]

Angrboda:
 
- Yes but previous sanctions were mostly hitting ordinary people more than the regime itself. D. Trump blockading Iranian ports will result in IRG’s going bankrupt. And that’s a good thing.
 
+ I’m not saying D. Trump is going to do this. But extremist elements will need to be eliminated at some point. It’s the only possibility for the future of the entire region.

You don't seem to understand how regimes work.  The people suffer before the regime, and the peons suffer before the leadership.  The regime isn't going to be suffering anytime soon.

Leo should ask the 100 girls from that iranian school....oh, he cant.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

What is it with this whole “negotiation” and “making a deal” thing?

Because that whole ‘ “negotiation” and “making a deal” ‘ thing is how wars are ended. It doesn’t matter if it’s a compromise between the belligerents or an abject surrender by one of them, the negotiation and deal-making you’re sneering at is ALWAYS how wars end.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you think this is diplomacy? If not then what is this thing?

Incompetence, grift, bribes, and straight up bullshit.  It's Trump, it's never not-that.  The man is a criminal. You can take whatever ideas you have in your head as mix them through a criminal filter and that, not the thing in your head, is where all things trump will invariably lead.

[Deesse23]

Leo does not understand that trump et l are real criminals. Not the usual badmouthing of one politician about another.
Real criminals.100% corrupt

Real criminals, corrupt to the core really incompetent in their criminality, fortunately for us. Real, professional habitual liers (the lue 109% of the time) and grifters, with nothing else in mind but personal gain and power to further personal gains.

Trump er al have NO honest intentions whatsoever and only care about themselves. Criminals. Period

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

“As the president of the United States showed, two can play at that game. And if the Iranians are going to try to engage in economic terrorism, we’re going to abide by a simple principle that no Iranian ships are getting out either. We know that’s a big deal to them." - J.D. Vance, admitting that his boss is engaged in economic terrorism.

Boru

[Paleophyte]

But the US can stop incoming and outgoing ships in International even in Iranian waters (there is a war going on right?)

No. That's called Piracy on the High Seas.

- What is it with this whole “negotiation” and “making a deal” thing? In his first mandate he met with the “brilliant young man” in North Korea who agreed to build nuclear armed ballistic missiles that could hit South-Korea as we speak. Then he made an agreement with Putin to go on with his unprovoked war of aggression. He talked to the Iranian who agreed to keep enriching Uranium after 5 years instead of 20. Now he is talking to Lebanon without the presence of the Hezbollah who is the de-facto state apparatus in Lebanon.
 
Do you think this is diplomacy? If not then what is this thing?

That's Trump trying to do diplomacy. Yes, he's very, very bad at it. He understands it only as how he gets stuff without hitting people. He is a self-proclaimed master of one-dimensional chess, and a pro at half-court tennis. He hyper-fixates on a single objective and will throw anybody and anything under the bus to get it. Right now he's desperate for a win in Iran, any sort of a win, so he's going to give them pretty much anything they want as long as they let him walk away with his pride. The Ayatollahs know this and they're going to use it to get everything that they want.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But the US can stop incoming and outgoing ships in International even in Iranian waters (there is a war going on right?)

No. That's called Piracy on the High Seas.

- What is it with this whole “negotiation” and “making a deal” thing? In his first mandate he met with the “brilliant young man” in North Korea who agreed to build nuclear armed ballistic missiles that could hit South-Korea as we speak. Then he made an agreement with Putin to go on with his unprovoked war of aggression. He talked to the Iranian who agreed to keep enriching Uranium after 5 years instead of 20. Now he is talking to Lebanon without the presence of the Hezbollah who is the de-facto state apparatus in Lebanon.
 
Do you think this is diplomacy? If not then what is this thing?

That's Trump trying to do diplomacy. Yes, he's very, very bad at it. He understands it only as how he gets stuff without hitting people. He is a self-proclaimed master of one-dimensional chess, and a pro at half-court tennis. He hyper-fixates on a single objective and will throw anybody and anything under the bus to get it. Right now he's desperate for a win in Iran, any sort of a win, so he's going to give them pretty much anything they want as long as they let him walk away with his pride. The Ayatollahs know this and they're going to use it to get everything that they want.

(Bold mine)

He’s made his usual mistake in thinking he’s smarter than everyone else. His sense of personal infallibility has blinded him to the fact that he’s desperate to end this war, which is allowing the Iranians to play him like a cheap fiddle.

Boru