A Philosophy of War and Conflict

[The Grand Nudger]

@Leonardo17

He threw all he hand on the mountains the sands on Iran.

1) I know people who can live one year with the money spent on one of these bombs. So don’t get me wrong but I have no idea what this man is doing or trying to achieve there and
 
2) (And this is the interesting part) We are in a climate crisis. We have the means to stop and reverse the effects of climate change if we want to but look at what’s happening: Everybody is looking for more ways to produce more weapons to increase their military budget.
 
This might be a short term response to an increasingly aggressive Russia and China’s dream of “World domination by 2025). I am not saying that the military is completely useless but look at us. Look at what we are doing.
 
/So it’s more than “Understanding the message correctly”. That’s not what I am saying but the core of most genuine spirituality is that “humanity is not in its right mind” and to this we might add:
- Yes maybe some of the things I’m saying can see crazy at times. But what’s really insane is not that. Thinking that humanity can continue business as usual without embracing some sort of deeper / spiritual transformation, that’s a completely crazy thing to say if you ask me. 

Ah yes, the "spirituality" of misanthropy.  Great pitch there, certainly true and no possible way it might go askance.  Definitely need some more of that "spirituality" for what ails us, it's been doing so well thusfar....... what with both the us and russia in the grips of a revanchist christian nationalism leveraging that exact and explicit message as it's rallying cry.

Remember when the other poster explained you were an inch rather than miles away from Them™....?  

- I agree with all of that but brains is not the only way to see things. Many religious people too are doing just that, they read and read and read and get they get to a point in which they know everything but are not able to achieve anything. People like me we believe in “spirit”. In the Sufi approach they mention something called “the inner eye”. So sometimes you just happen to be attracted to some sort of stuff and that stuff turns out to be beneficial to you as a person. So the next time something seems “to resonate” you do it all over again and see that this too has been beneficial.
 
See: Most of us believe that there is an intelligence that is greater than our own intelligence. So while having intellectual endeavors ourselves, we sort of accept that there is always a bigger intelligence at work so usually we don’t feel like taking things too far if you see what I mean. 
 
So being humble is very important in these issues. So starting with my own culture, I want to see religious people being more humble. In fact it is when I don’t see this humility that I start doubting somebodies involvement in spiritual issues. Personally that’s when I start believing that this or that person are what the Koran defines as “Mushrik” someone who has idols other than the Universe itself. Someone who is in love perhaps with his/her own intellect, his/her ego self, his/her own self-created dogmas or false belief systems…

I don't think that suggesting we use something other than our brains is a prudent strategy for dealing with complex geopolitical disputes, ascendant reich wing dictatorships, or the ethics of armed conflict.  Nor do I think that relying on gods to solve human problems has ever produced a single result.  It doesn't really matter what most people believe.  Maga thinks this greater intelligence is on their side.  Putins orthodox nutters think the same.  Ukraines orthodox nutters, ditto.  Irans islamic nutters...very very much so.  You suffer from the same affliction, you think that what you have to offer is The Right Divine Wisdom.  There's that inch again.  You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong.

Did you want to talk about a philosophy of war and conflict or a theosophy of war and conflict? Do you believe that a country a being invaded by a country b has a moral duty...not a "spiritual duty"...a moral one.....to allow country b to fund it's war machine so long as countries c-z want or need their products?

[Deesse23]

See: Most of us believe that there is an intelligence that is greater than our own intelligence. So while having intellectual endeavors ourselves, we sort of accept that there is always a bigger intelligence at work so usually we don’t feel like taking things too far if you see what I mean.  

While you are not religious, you put the very same lack of critical thinking on display. Another piece of evidence for my claim that you arent a "mile" but an "inch" (and some personal revelation or a charlatan with charisma) away from "them" believers you are looking down upon. Your religion is "spirituality", face it.

Evidence: What most believe does not make it true, does it? But it makes you feel comfortable in your unfounded belief, doesnt it?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

I agree with all of that but brains is not the only way to see things. Many religious people too are doing just that, they read and read and read and get they get to a point in which they know everything but are not able to achieve anything. People like me we believe in “spirit”. In the Sufi approach they mention something called “the inner eye”. 

Call me a hidebound old reactionary with cruel yet handsome features if you must, but if my surgeon tells me that she’s relying on her Inner Eye rather that having read and read and read medical texts, I’ll be out the door so fast the air will crackle.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

I feel like the mughal princes had read plenty of sufi mysticism. Brutal warlords all the same.

[Deesse23]

They all did it all wrong, unlike Leo. Leo does it all right, because he has the right spirit!