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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 4:16 pm
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You do not see it because you do not wish to see it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Are you seriously trying to sell the idea that science can have nothing to say on a book like bible, or The Chronicles of Narnia?
Let's say that I am told to sit down, with three texts, 2 of which have talking animals( Bible, Narnia) 1 of which does not (Garden Insects of North America), and I wouldn't be able to make at least 1 classification between them, based on the body of scientific evidence available to me? I could not say that the bible belongs to a group of texts with talking animals, and that talking animals do not appear to exist. Could I not give this type of writing a header...say......Fiction?
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 4:41 pm
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 5:15 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 4:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You do not see it because you do not wish to see it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Are you seriously trying to sell the idea that science can have nothing to say on a book like bible, or The Chronicles of Narnia?
Let's say that I am told to sit down, with three texts, 2 of which have talking animals( Bible, Narnia) 1 of which does not (Garden Insects of North America), and I wouldn't be able to make at least 1 classification between them, based on the body of scientific evidence available to me? I could not say that the bible belongs to a group of texts with talking animals, and that talking animals do not appear to exist. Could I not give this type of writing a header...say......Fiction? You seem to be putting words into my mouth. I do not claim science has nothing to say on the Bible, or on the Chronicles of Narnia, but that "science cannot answer everything".
Because science can have a word on issues like the Bible and the Chronicles of Narnia does not mean our discussion of whether science can answer everything or not is related to the original topic. It does not. You have to admit that our discussion was off-topic, whether you like it or not. And by the way, we weren't discussion something scientific per se, but philosophy of science.
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 5:19 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 4:12 pm)Emanuel Wrote: (July 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I personally do not see how whether science can give an answer to everything is relevant to whether the Bible is in the same category as a fantasy book, like The Lord of the Rings series or the Chronicles of Narnia. Our discussion was off-topic.
Maybe because you are relatively brainless and incapable of seeing the obvious?
A lot of Christians think the Bible is the answer to everything, which would be what distinguishes it. The association fits in half a sentence, therefore, you are wrong.
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 5:28 pm
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Just flat out exhausting. You leave very little incentive to discuss anything with you. You have already made a conclusion, one which you are not going to question. You appear to want to talk at someone, not with them.
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 5:35 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 5:19 pm)edk141 Wrote: Maybe because you are relatively brainless and incapable of seeing the obvious? Please do not insult me.
(July 31, 2011 at 5:19 pm)edk141 Wrote: A lot of Christians think the Bible is the answer to everything, which would be what distinguishes it. The association fits in half a sentence, therefore, you are wrong. It is obvious that the Bible cannot answer everything, and what "a lot of Christians" think does not matter much. By the way, have you actually heard any Christian saying the "the bible is the answer to everything"? The Bible itself doesn't claim it has an answer for everything, therefore this idea comes not from it, or God, but from Christians, who may be wrong.
Also, what do you mean by "the association fits in half a sentence"?
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 5:49 pm
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(July 29, 2011 at 7:22 am)Emanuel Wrote: (July 29, 2011 at 6:01 am)MilesTailsPrower Wrote: How about Narnia? Do you seriously consider that there isn't much diference between the Bible and The Chronicles of Narnia?
There we go, the last post I can find before science was raised as an objection. Funny, because I'm about to say:
Do you have any evidence that the bible is anything more than a fantasy? If you do, please, let us see it. Don't complain about what the other side doesn't have, lay your cards on the table. It's your baby, prove it.
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 6:15 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 5:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There we go, the last post I can find before science was raised as an objection. Funny, because I'm about to say:
Do you have any evidence that the bible is anything more than a fantasy? If you do, please, let us see it. Don't complain about what the other side doesn't have, lay your cards on the table. It's your baby, prove it. First, note that that was a question, not a claim, therefore I do not have any burden of proof. But I'll get along anyway.
To begin with, can you please give me your definition of "fantasy"?
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 6:20 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy
There you go amigo. Don't even start with that "it isn't my claim" crap, you are implying that there are serious differences between one work of fantasy and another, and there may be, but the place where they become exactly equivalent, is in their both being works of fantasy fiction.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
July 31, 2011 at 6:23 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 5:35 pm)Emanuel Wrote: It is obvious that the Bible cannot answer everything, and what "a lot of Christians" think does not matter much. By the way, have you actually heard any Christian saying the "the bible is the answer to everything"? The Bible itself doesn't claim it has an answer for everything, therefore this idea comes not from it, or God, but from Christians, who may be wrong.
Also, what do you mean by "the association fits in half a sentence"?
What is it with you people and asserting that unless a member of a group has said a particular sentence word for word, that isn't what people in the group believe?
I mean that it was so simple to show how the topics were related that the argument was not off topic. Anyway arguing about whether you're off topic is even stupider than arguing off topic. Not that I'd put that level of stupidity past you.
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