A really hard question on Satan and deception.

[Godscreated]

[quote='Godschild' pid='195205' dateline='1319090556']
[quote='Greatest I am' pid='194938' dateline='1319047627']
A really hard question on Satan and deception.

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You all know that I always have answers for everything but these ones have me stumped. That or Satan is deceiving me. How could I know?

If you have never sought out God then Satan doesn't have a need to deceive you. He will let you believe your own ideas, this way he doesn't have to waste time on you.

If angels have free will, why has one never shown themselves?

They have read scriptures and you will discover when and where. they appear as men so as to not reveal who they truly are except to those they have been sent to. When they came to people in private they may have appeared as angels. You never know when you might have meet an angel.

There are apparently good angels and evil angels that have been renamed as demons.

If either of these showed itself, we could not distinguish it from God himself. No one has ever seen God.

God is Spirit, HE has no physical form,read the scriptures please. The angels have a physical body and you can bet when you come in the presents of God you will surely know.

Would we accept it as God and be deceived?

Come to think of it you probably would just as other non believers would, if you have no personal relationship with Christ how could you know.

After all, it is said by God that Satan has the power to deceive the whole world.
Knowing this, and knowing that most of the world belongs to one religion or another. It follows that most people in these religions have been deceived.

You are correct about the power of satan, read Mk. 13:22 and you will see that the elect (the followers of Christ) will not be deceived, why, because we have a relationship with the true God and know Him, satan does not have the power to reveal himself as the true God.

How then can believers be so sure that they follow the right God?
As scripture indicates that most if not all will be following the wrong God thanks to deception.

The answer is a the same as the above.

Are you somehow immune to Satan, who can deceive the whole world?

Yes as I said christians have a relationship with God, we know Him personally and will see through satans attempts to deceive.

If atheists are deceived, then there really is a God.
If believers are deceived, then there really is no God.

If a believer, how do you get around this catch 22.

Yes to the first part, no to the second part, why, if a believer was deceived there would have to be a deceiver and since you are making statements about God and satan I assume you are sticking to the story that God created Lucifer who becomes the deceiver by his own choice, thus a deceiver then there must be God.

Are morals the only good way around it?

If so, then if you are a believer that believes that Sodom or the genocide of Noah’s day is good justice, does that mean that you have been deceived?

Having good morals will not give you a relationship with Christ, you can do all the good you can stand but you will still belong to satan.
To the second part, those things you mention are just because God who is just determined it was just. The decision He made is just no matter what you or I think. So, no we as christians have not been deceived.

Because on the face of it, since non believers are a minority and think it evil, then you, as part of the majority and think it good, must be wrong.

Is genocide then a good thing or an evil thing?

It's neither for you or I to say what is morally right and just only the moral and just God of heaven can determine such, we trust God in His righteousness. For man to commit genocide is wrong, for God to punish the wicked is just and right.

Careful, you have definitely been deceived if God was right. Satan has deceived you.

Regards
DL

God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.

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Ah, the blatant stupidity. God is omnipotent, yes?

Yes.

So he could easily appear to have a physical form.

I guess He could, I'm supposing you are talking about God the Father.

Indeed, to be omnipotent, he would be both physical and immaterial at all times, and in ALL other states. Yes?

No, though as God the Father, Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit He has at certain times.

And as for Satan, as a supposed fallen angel he would carry a portion of God's infinite power, yes? Well, a portion of God's infinite power would also be infinite. Therefore, Satan and all the angels would each be as powerful as God, and all would be material and immaterial, and in all other states and places at the same time.

Incorrect on all points, God never gave satan His power. The proof of this is that they would have destroyed God, they have not. Scripture tells us that satan only has powers that God allows him to have.

Therefore, your claims contradict themselves. Even if any of it existed accordingly to the Bible, you would have no way of distinguishing between Satan and God.

No, you are wrong. Yes, by your assumption of the Bible being true, Christ died and arose from the grave is just one of many reasons I can know the difference between the two.

[chatpilot]

Godschild, just like your imaginary God you tend to thrive on nonexistent threats lol. First you would have to prove that hell exist but as you know that is in and of itself impossible. The only place that hell exists is on the blood soaked pages of your mythical book the bible.

[Minimalist]

Here you go, Min....because I love you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPPesVeTE1o

Thank you, darlin'.

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

Godschild is making threats now? Ban time.

I like how God is so loving and forgiving...
and when his loving and forgiving followers get into an argument, they're the first to start making threats.

Besides, Santa and Satan have the same letters. Shouldn't that have some significance to your type of people Godschild?
Especially knowing the Latin/Spanish meaning of the word 'santa'.

I mean...

Clearly every word in the Bible has fifteen metaphorical meanings that nobody but you is qualified to understand. It's clearly not just a dusty old book written by goat herders who wanted to believe in a better life, but shoved in their bigoted beliefs. That's so much less likely...

[Godscreated]

Godschild is making threats now? Ban time.

I like how God is so loving and forgiving...
and when his loving and forgiving followers get into an argument, they're the first to start making threats.

Besides, Santa and Satan have the same letters. Shouldn't that have some significance to your type of people Godschild?
Especially knowing the Latin/Spanish meaning of the word 'santa'.

I mean...

Clearly every word in the Bible has fifteen metaphorical meanings that nobody but you is qualified to understand. It's clearly not just a dusty old book written by goat herders who wanted to believe in a better life, but shoved in their bigoted beliefs. That's so much less likely...

I do not make threats. Why is it every time I make a point someone wants me banned, gees whats up with this.

[Minimalist]

I don't want you banned.

You are an endless source of amusement.

[The Grand Nudger]

You made a point?

[Zen Badger]

Considering that Satans very first appearance in the bible is catching out god telling a lie.....................

[KichigaiNeko]

Really people...just how can a child like G-C make threats??

pathetic

[Greatest I am]

Oops.[

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They cannot tell the difference. Satan has never lied or deceived in the babble-book. All he did was to piss off god. He freed Adam and Eve from their enslavement. So, the xtians are already deceived by their god and worshiping the wrong one.

I agree.
Strange how Christianity took the Jewish view of Eden as our elevation and flip it around to our fall.

More $$$$$$ in raising the fallen than looking with pride on the elevated I guess.

Regards
DL

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GIa Wrote:Are you somehow immune to Satan, who can deceive the whole world?

Yes as I said christians have a relationship with God, we know Him personally and will see through satans attempts to deceive.


Scriptures do not say attempt. They say can and will.
Your personal relationship with your God, for all you can know, can be a deception.
You somehow thing that by distorting God word you can by pass deception but that is not what your bible says. Read what it says. Not what you want it to say.

Then again, I like you, think that many passages are lies.

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“ Having good morals will not give you a relationship with Christ, you can do all the good you can stand but you will still belong to satan.”

Interesting. Again, you read what you want to hear in scripture and not what is written.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztDgyOKej...r_embedded

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“God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.”

You said I should read the Bible. Perhaps you should read it as written and not as what you want to hear.

And as to reading it, you tell me to at the same time that you distort what it says. WTH.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

Regards
DL