A really hard question on Satan and deception.

[Doubting Thomas]

If angels have free will, why has one never shown themselves?

If either of these showed itself, we could not distinguish it from God himself. No one has ever seen God.

They have. Haven't you ever watched "Touched by an Angel?" They show up, help people out, then a light comes on behind them and they say, "God loves you" with an Irish accent.

[Godscreated]

GIa Wrote:Are you somehow immune to Satan, who can deceive the whole world?

Yes as I said christians have a relationship with God, we know Him personally and will see through satans attempts to deceive.


Scriptures do not say attempt. They say can and will.
Your personal relationship with your God, for all you can know, can be a deception.
You somehow thing that by distorting God word you can by pass deception but that is not what your bible says. Read what it says. Not what you want it to say.

Then again, I like you, think that many passages are lies.

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“ Having good morals will not give you a relationship with Christ, you can do all the good you can stand but you will still belong to satan.”

Interesting. Again, you read what you want to hear in scripture and not what is written.



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“God is not the deceiver, satan is, and God in His righteousness will keep safe those who accept Him from satans deceptions.”

You said I should read the Bible. Perhaps you should read it as written and not as what you want to hear.

And as to reading it, you tell me to at the same time that you distort what it says. WTH.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Why is it that nonbelievers can only pick out verses they want to use to try and disprove something. I know it's not from the lack of intelligence. You are the one trying to make scripture say what suits you. Why can't you read the whole story, start at 21:27 and read through 22:40 and just maybe you will see the truth. These prophets were lying and God let them continue to believe their lies. These are called false prophets. God reveled the truth to the prophet Micaiah and it came to pass. So you see God did not deceive His people only lying prophets.

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Really! you are using the same story again, bet you did not know it was the same story as in 1st Kings did you. That's what happens when you use the computer or skim through definitions in the back of the Bible to get the verses that you believe will help your case. When will nonbelievers learn that they can not use the Word of God against Him.

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

Again you are stabbing in the dark. You should have started at Jer.3:21 and read to Jer.5:3. God deceived the Israelites, yes, He allowed them to keep on believing that they could reject Him and not pay a price. God said they would not repent, yet He offered them the chance to repent and turn back to Him and He would save them from the Babylonian army, But they did not repent and the army came. Again God deceived the people that rejected Him, not the ones who love Him.

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

Why want you read the verses that pertain to the ones you quote. Pashhur is a false prophet and God let him believe what he was prophesying to be the truth. God was tired of his lying. Pashhur would not listen to Jeremiah or God's truth and he suffered the consequences for lying. Again God did not deceive those who have a relationship with Him.

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

Out of a shallow hole comes little understanding, you need to dig deeper into scripture, read all the verses that are relevant to the one you site. God is saying that a prophet who falsely prophesies will be cut off from his people and will be punished.

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

This passage is not about christians, it's about those who have chosen not to believe. You should have read verses 1-12, cherry picking will get you nowhere. This is what will happen near the end times and it seems you are being deceived of the truth. So you can see from a real look into scriptures that God does not deceive those who live in a relationship with Him through Christ, it is those who refuse to believe, that may continue to be deceived. I used only those verses that you picked to show you the truth, actually studying scripture helps one to understand.

[The Grand Nudger]

So maybe you should have said that god doesn't lie to christians, since he apparently does lie to non-christians. Everytime you open your mouth god sounds even less pleasant. Coming from me that should give you pause. Don't criticize someone for cherry picking when your entire faith is an exercize in cherry picking. It seems more and more that the christian definition of cherry picking is really only picking verses they don't like. It's your book, own it.

[Zen Badger]

So maybe you should have said that god doesn't lie to christians, since he apparently does lie to non-christians. Everytime you open your mouth god sounds even less pleasant. Coming from me that should give you pause. Don't criticize someone for cherry picking when your entire faith is an exercize in cherry picking. It seems more and more that the christian definition of cherry picking is really only picking verses they don't like. It's your book, own it.

But he lied to Adam And Eve, but then, they weren't christians so it probably doesn't count.

Come to think of it, neither was jesus.

[Godscreated]

So maybe you should have said that god doesn't lie to christians, since he apparently does lie to non-christians. Everytime you open your mouth god sounds even less pleasant. Coming from me that should give you pause. Don't criticize someone for cherry picking when your entire faith is an exercize in cherry picking. It seems more and more that the christian definition of cherry picking is really only picking verses they don't like. It's your book, own it.

God lies to no one, He does allow them like you who deceive their own selves to believe their deception. You should see that by my response to GIa that I do not cherry pick and you have no idea what my faith is based own. If your going to make such accusations you need some proof. I own several, just bought another yesterday.

[thesummerqueen]

How many bibles does one need?

[The Grand Nudger]

You're right, I have no idea what a self professed christians faith could possibly be based upon........

[Godscreated]

So maybe you should have said that god doesn't lie to christians, since he apparently does lie to non-christians. Everytime you open your mouth god sounds even less pleasant. Coming from me that should give you pause. Don't criticize someone for cherry picking when your entire faith is an exercize in cherry picking. It seems more and more that the christian definition of cherry picking is really only picking verses they don't like. It's your book, own it.

But he lied to Adam And Eve, but then, they weren't christians so it probably doesn't count.

Come to think of it, neither was jesus.

God lies to no one, read scripture, what makes you think God lied to Adam and Eve.

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How many bibles does one need?

Several translations, they help us to dig out the truth.

[KichigaiNeko]

So maybe you should have said that god doesn't lie to christians, since he apparently does lie to non-christians. Everytime you open your mouth god sounds even less pleasant. Coming from me that should give you pause. Don't criticize someone for cherry picking when your entire faith is an exercize in cherry picking. It seems more and more that the christian definition of cherry picking is really only picking verses they don't like. It's your book, own it.

God lies to no one, He does allow them like you who deceive their own selves to believe their deception.

So you are saying you may be deceiving yourself G-C?

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So maybe you should have said that god doesn't lie to christians, since he apparently does lie to non-christians. Everytime you open your mouth god sounds even less pleasant. Coming from me that should give you pause. Don't criticize someone for cherry picking when your entire faith is an exercize in cherry picking. It seems more and more that the christian definition of cherry picking is really only picking verses they don't like. It's your book, own it.

But he lied to Adam And Eve, but then, they weren't christians so it probably doesn't count.

Come to think of it, neither was jesus.

God lies to no one, read scripture, what makes you think God lied to Adam and Eve.

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How many bibles does one need?

Several translations, they help us to dig out the truth.

And each one is needed??? Wow Are you saying that your god can't write a law at all??

[Zen Badger]

But he lied to Adam And Eve, but then, they weren't christians so it probably doesn't count.

Come to think of it, neither was jesus.


God lies to no one, read scripture, what makes you think God lied to Adam and Eve.

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But I did read scripture,
From genesis....

2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

And when Adam ate of the fruit he did not die on that day as god had told him he would,but lived for another 930 years, so god lied.

How many bibles does one need?


Several translations, they help us to dig out the truth.

Truth? in the bible????