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(December 6, 2011 at 10:58 am)Heather Wrote: Reminds me of my client here at work last week that told me god "killed her ex-husband." He never paid her child support and she had prayed for help. Well, he died in a car wreck last month and she will get thousands of dollars from a wrongful death lawsuit so she told me over and over that her prayers had worked and god killed her ex husband so she could have money for her kids.
Exactly!
Their god can become involved in the most ridiculous bull shit you can possibly imagine, but when it comes to THIS - well he can't be bothered. Christianity is so fucking stupid!
Quote:He never paid her child support and she had prayed for help. Well, he died in a car wreck last month and she will get thousands of dollars from a wrongful death lawsuit
Wait till she sees how much the fucking lawyers get.
(December 6, 2011 at 12:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We need more of your kind, Tacky, and less of the shitwits who are running for president because "god" told them to give tax breaks to rich cocksuckers.
It's an improvement, perhaps, but I don't think encouraging more of tack's kind in general is too smart. He still believes in stupid shit like the power of prayer, for fuck's sake.
He's got compassion though, and he struggles with reconciling God with the horrors of nature. A kind heart goes a long way with me. A more benign Christianity is enough of an improvement to encourage, IMHO.
December 7, 2011 at 1:36 am (This post was last modified: December 7, 2011 at 1:37 am by tackattack.)
@Min- For what it's worth thanks min.
(December 6, 2011 at 9:50 am)Cinjin Wrote: Clearly, I'm saying either your god does not exist or you serve one selectively sadistic mother fucker.
Selective perceptual bias would definitely negate an all knowing God. Also, I believe you have a bit of a false dichotomy there.
(December 6, 2011 at 10:58 am)Heather Wrote: Reminds me of my client here at work last week that told me god "killed her ex-husband." He never paid her child support and she had prayed for help. Well, he died in a car wreck last month and she will get thousands of dollars from a wrongful death lawsuit so she told me over and over that her prayers had worked and god killed her ex husband so she could have money for her kids.
Do me a favor and tell her that a bad driver killed him, not God, and she needs to work on that seed of hatred inside her.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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(December 6, 2011 at 9:50 am)Cinjin Wrote: Clearly, I'm saying either your god does not exist or you serve one selectively sadistic mother fucker.
Selective perceptual bias would definitely negate an all knowing God. Also, I believe you have a bit of a false dichotomy there.
How so?
If god can put right for you the morning traffic, provide sunshine for your daughter's birthday party, and simply allow you to have a generally good day than he must be held responsible for all things. My argument is that if you take the time to thank him three times a day for your meals and every other mundane detail of your lives than clearly you believe he's absolutely everywhere on this planet at all times. There's no getting around it. If he answers (or is even listening to) the stupidest of prayers than he is at least responsible for all the horrible natural conditions that afflict mankind.
Now you're an honest guy tacky ... how is my dichotomy unfair? Tell the truth now. Does your god help you with the simple goings-on of your daily life? Did god provide you with that ham sandwich you ate at lunch time?
"God I know you're busy making sure Tacky gets a raise at his job, but me and my friends sure would like to eat."
Is your god sitting next to this child?
And if he is - why is he watching him
suffer and die in horrible misery
while he blesses satanists with hearty meals?
False dichotomy or honest evaluation of a bogus belief?
(December 6, 2011 at 10:58 am)Heather Wrote: Reminds me of my client here at work last week that told me god "killed her ex-husband." He never paid her child support and she had prayed for help. Well, he died in a car wreck last month and she will get thousands of dollars from a wrongful death lawsuit so she told me over and over that her prayers had worked and god killed her ex husband so she could have money for her kids.
Do me a favor and tell her that a bad driver killed him, not God, and she needs to work on that seed of hatred inside her.
Ah, no, I refuse to argue religion with my clients as I am in sales. I want to sell them... so she can believe whatever she wants.
But, you are right. She has some serious hatred inside. I agree with that 100%.
(December 6, 2011 at 9:50 am)Cinjin Wrote: Clearly, I'm saying either your god does not exist or you serve one selectively sadistic mother fucker.
Selective perceptual bias would definitely negate an all knowing God. Also, I believe you have a bit of a false dichotomy there.
How so?
If god can put right for you the morning traffic, provide sunshine for your daughter's birthday party, and simply allow you to have a generally good day than he must be held responsible for all things. My argument is that if you take the time to thank him three times a day for your meals and every other mundane detail of your lives than clearly you believe he's absolutely everywhere on this planet at all times. There's no getting around it. If he answers (or is even listening to) the stupidest of prayers than he is at least responsible for all the horrible natural conditions that afflict mankind.
Now you're an honest guy tacky ... how is my dichotomy unfair? Tell the truth now. Does your god help you with the simple goings-on of your daily life? Did god provide you with that ham sandwich you ate at lunch time?
"God I know you're busy making sure Tacky gets a raise at his job, but me and my friends sure would like to eat."
Is your god sitting next to this child?
And if he is - why is he watching him
suffer and die in horrible misery
while he blesses satanists with hearty meals?
False dichotomy or honest evaluation of a bogus belief?
Firstly, your questions.
How so? because by definition a false dilemma is a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are additional options. There are a myriad of alternative answers you intentionally leave out of your seemingly exhaustive dichotomy. Perhaps he chooses whom to help or when, perhaps it's a lesson, perhaps he enjoys siffering, perhaps he doesn't care... there are truly tons of other alternatives.
Does your god help you with the simple goings-on of your daily life? sometimes
Did god provide you with that ham sandwich you ate at lunch time? no
Secondly, I feel this is an afront to my pesonal morality, not because I'm offended by the images, but because it's just as bad at anti-abortion protestors carrying around aborted fetuses to throw in people's face. IMO, you should never use another's unintentional suffering as a point to win an argument. Not that I'm unmoved by the human suffering in these photos. Truly it grieves me that I haven't done enough personally to help human suffering.
What you're doing here though is not that though. You're attempting to get to the point of God allows everything or God does everything. That is not scriptual exegesis. God clearly doesn't allow or approve of all things. God clearly, while the originating cause, doesn't do everything although he might have the power to. You're creating a false dichotomy intending to shed a negative light on Christianity while Jesus, our example, served the poor and starving food, healed the sick and ministered to the suffering. I think at best it serves to exacerbate how far away from God, humanity (Christianity included) has come from God's standard.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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I think it's a bit rich to say that nobody should ever use the suffering of other people to win an argument. How else could we possibly show that God was an arsehole who didn't give a shit about vast portions of people on the planet without referring to the suffering of these people?
You've said that God interferes in your life, so the question has been asked: Why do you think it is that he's happy to help out with your trivial shit in your life like getting a bonus at work so you can put ten dollars in a church collection plate or making your kid's boo boo go away a day earlier, and yet doesn't give a flying fuck about far more serious problems? I just want to know why you think that is, and if you think it's right that he steps in and helps you with your nothing 'problems' while allowing the other stuff to stand (even though they no doubt pray and beg for his help and mercy far more than you).
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well he can't be bothered. Christianity is so fucking stupid!
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