(October 23, 2010 at 3:25 pm)A Theist Wrote: The fascists are at NPR. They're the ones shutting down free speech. Bill O'Reilly works for a private enterprise. NPR is feeding at the government trough. Our federal lawmakers need to cut off all funding to NPR.

Repeat after me. NPR isn't the government. They cannot "shut down free speech". To claim otherwise is stupid & disingenuous. Grants do not work the way you seem to think they do. There are generally few "strings" attached to them. If a private citizen gets a Pell grant from the government, they can generally do whatever they want with that money as long as they keep passing classes & stay in the same socioeconomic situation.

I seriously doubt NPR would take money from the government if it came with any "strings" that would turn them into a puppet, a government mouthpiece.

The funny thing about your little rant is that a government that actually had the power to boss NPR around would be much closer to the correct definition of fascism than your strange non-governmental example.

(October 24, 2010 at 4:33 pm)Synackaon Wrote: You judge their actions taken.

Even Carlin had a bit about how controlling language controlled thoughts. Nowadays we don't even want to be imagined that we're thinking the wrong things, much less saying them. Possibly something to do with too many years of "thinking=sin", even if no action taken?

Imagine how many things in this world would be better if we actually lived as you suggested.

(October 24, 2010 at 6:27 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: The funny thing about your little rant is that a government that actually had the power to boss NPR around would be much closer to the correct definition of fascism than your strange non-governmental example.

You're not quoting me in the full context for which it was intended. This was the exchange...

(October 23, 2010 at 3:25 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(October 23, 2010 at 3:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The fascists have enough shitheads like Bill O'Reilly to tell them what they want to hear.

Leave NPR alone.

The fascists are at NPR. They're the ones shutting down free speech. Bill O'Reilly works for a private enterprise. NPR is feeding at the government trough. Our federal lawmakers need to cut off all funding to NPR.

Quote: Grants do not work the way you seem to think they do. There are generally few "strings" attached to them.

That's the problem. To begin with, the money provided for those government grants are not coming out of the Washington lawmakers pockets. That money is coming out of the taxpayers pockets. To throw our money away like that without some responsible oversight as to how it's spent is one reason why our country is $1.5 trillion in debt.

I don't care how government grants work, the money is still coming out of the taxpayers pockets, (Washington finds it pretty easy to throw other peoples money around). NPR has a history of intolerance toward opposing viewpoints and open debates. Why should my money fund that kind of forum? NPR should be cut off from the taxpayers dole.

Quote:That's the problem. To begin with, the money provided for those government grants are not coming out of the Washington lawmakers pockets. That money is coming out of the taxpayers pockets. To throw our money away like that without some responsible oversight as to how it's spent is one reason why our country is $1.5 trillion in debt.

I don't care how government grants work, the money is still coming out of the taxpayers pockets, (Washington finds it pretty easy to throw other peoples money around). NPR has a history of intolerance toward opposing viewpoints and open debates. Why should my money fund that kind of forum? NPR should be cut off from the taxpayers dole.

What evidence do you have that grant money is being "throw(n) away" by NPR? I seriously doubt that they can afford to "throw" any money away. Perhaps you could also cite examples of NPR's alleged intolerance. (this should be good)

(October 25, 2010 at 7:32 am)A Theist Wrote: I don't care how government grants work, the money is still coming out of the taxpayers pockets, (Washington finds it pretty easy to throw other peoples money around). NPR has a history of intolerance toward opposing viewpoints and open debates. Why should my money fund that kind of forum? NPR should be cut off from the taxpayers dole.

Regardless of your feelings about the NPR, they perform the necessary good of being an impartial source of news in our society (1). Just because you've been trained by Fox News & their ilk to shout out & shut down in any fashion possible anything that does not fit within your limited worldview does not mean that they are in any way breaking the law or their charter. BTW, Washington has very, very little to do with NPR, any grants received directly by the NPR are state grants. (2) However, a whopping 15% of funding for individual stations does come from federal CBP grants which have the following guidelines:

1. Open meetings
2. Open financial records
3. Community advisory board
4. Equal employment opportunity
5. Donor list and political activities

I'm sure the bible thumpers & neo-cons would happily tear down the entire CPB to "hurt" the NPR regardless of the fallout, but thankfully we actually have rules about these things to make sure that doesn't happen.

In your rush to take us back to the bronze age, you may want to try actually researching things you want to rant about, otherwise you just seem ignorant.

(October 25, 2010 at 10:45 am)orogenicman Wrote: What evidence do you have that grant money is being "throw(n) away" by NPR? I seriously doubt that they can afford to "throw" any money away. Perhaps you could also cite examples of NPR's alleged intolerance. (this should be good)

To begin with, I said the government, Washington, is throwing taxpayers money away, (Go back, and read my post again). I.E. the so-called bailout stimulus has done nothing to stimulate our economy. We're around $1.5 trillion in debt, high unemployment, a growing poverty class, and a national mortgage crisis with home foreclosures expected to rise. The liberal spread the wealth, tax and spend our way out of debt is killing our economy.

Quote:Perhaps you could also cite examples of NPR's alleged intolerance. (this should be good)

There is not one conservative news anylist at NPR. The conservative viewpoint is not tolerated there. Vivian Schiller, NPR's president and CEO, verbally attacked Juan Williams saying,..."His, (Juan Williams), feelings are between him and his psychiatrist"

http://www.breitbart.tv/nprs-ceo-juan-sh...chiatrist/

...Schiller also goes on to say that journalists and anylists who appear on NPR have to,..."conduct themselves according to their rules of journalistic rules of ethics"...but gives Nina Totenberg, NPR commentator, a pass when she said if there was justice the "Good Lord" would infect Jesse Helms and his grandchildren with aids...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...tml?cat=62

This is hateful double standard intolerance at NPR. All federal grants should be cut off from public broadcasting. Let them stand on their own, off the taxpayers dole.

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(October 25, 2010 at 11:32 am)Jaysyn Wrote: In your rush to take us back to the bronze age,

...and where has your side taken us, nearly $1.5 trillion in debt, high unemployment, a national mortgage crisis with home foreclosures expected to rise, and a growing poverty class. At least the Bronze Age was an era of advancement for humanity, but your side has us mired in the Dark Ages.

Quote: any grants received directly by the NPR are state grants

... and where does the state get the money?

To be continued... I have to go to work so my wealth can be spread around.

(October 26, 2010 at 6:29 am)A Theist Wrote:

(October 25, 2010 at 10:45 am)orogenicman Wrote: What evidence do you have that grant money is being "throw(n) away" by NPR? I seriously doubt that they can afford to "throw" any money away. Perhaps you could also cite examples of NPR's alleged intolerance. (this should be good)

To begin with, I said the government, Washington, is throwing taxpayers money away, (Go back, and read my post again). I.E. the so-called bailout stimulus has done nothing to stimulate our economy. We're around $1.5 trillion in debt, high unemployment, a growing poverty class, and a national mortgage crisis with home foreclosures expected to rise. The liberal spread the wealth, tax and spend our way out of debt is killing our economy.

Quote:Perhaps you could also cite examples of NPR's alleged intolerance. (this should be good)

There is not one conservative news anylist at NPR. The conservative viewpoint is not tolerated there. Vivian Schiller, NPR's president and CEO, verbally attacked Juan Williams saying,..."His, (Juan Williams), feelings are between him and his psychiatrist"

http://www.breitbart.tv/nprs-ceo-juan-sh...chiatrist/

...Schiller also goes on to say that journalists and anylists who appear on NPR have to,..."conduct themselves according to their rules of journalistic rules of ethics"...but gives Nina Totenberg, NPR commentator, a pass when she said if there was justice the "Good Lord" would infect Jesse Helms and his grandchildren with aids...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...tml?cat=62

This is hateful double standard intolerance at NPR. All federal grants should be cut off from public broadcasting. Let them stand on their own, off the taxpayers dole.

I asked "What evidence do you have that grant money is being "throw(n) away" by NPR?". And you recite the stimulus package? Pray tell, what does the stimulus package have to do with NPR funding? You're clutching at straws here.

Schiller had a point. Anyone who suddenly becomes scared on an airplane simply because there is a Muslm onboard probably should seek therapy. Jesse Helms is dead, dude. Why are you trying to resurrect him?

(October 26, 2010 at 6:29 am)A Theist Wrote: ...and where has your side taken us, nearly $1.5 trillion in debt, high unemployment, a national mortgage crisis with home foreclosures expected to rise, and a growing poverty class. At least the Bronze Age was an era of advancement for humanity, but your side has us mired in the Dark Ages.

First thing, you have no freaking clue what "side" I'm on, kid. If you are referring to me being an atheist, well as far as I know, there isn't the first fucking atheist in the senate, congress or the White House. So, I guess it's really your "team" which is doing all the damage. Second thing, if you were really worried about our national debt, you'd be railing against the real elephant in the room. Military spending in the USA is $650,000,000 a year. I know you theists hate logic & all, but just try doing the math on that one. Try doing the math. The truth is, you really aren't concerned with debt are you? You just want a conservative viewpoint you can shout about to make yourself feel better.

Quote:and where does the state get the money?

Who the heck are you to tell the constituents of another state what to do with their money? You can't possibly live in all of them so why are you trying to dictate what they do?

(I already miss Ely fixing the link vortexes)

A Theist Wrote:$1.5 trillion in debt

I hate to break this to you, but I've seen you throw this number around in quite a few posts now. You guys are actually in debt by $13 trillion...

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Sorry...

(October 26, 2010 at 10:07 am)Tiberius Wrote:

A Theist Wrote:$1.5 trillion in debt

I hate to break this to you, but I've seen you throw this number around in quite a few posts now. You guys are actually in debt by $13 trillion...

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Sorry...

I think he meant the deficit, but either way, holy crap. Even if we cut military spending by half, it would still take at least 20 years to pay it down. TARP literally isn't even a drop in that bucket.

Well, you know what they say about debt? If you owe the bank $1 million you're in trouble, if you owe the bank $100 million, the bank is in trouble.