(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 1 - Creates the heavens and the earth.

The heavens were created in day 2 and the earth in day 3.

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 2 -  he couldn't see a god damned thing creates light and dark also created the moon. (didn't create a source of light till day 4, if god was so smart he would have created the sun)

The moon was created in day 4 not day 2.  He created light in day 1.

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 3 - creates vegetation (again no light source and no insects and bees to pollinate said vegetation)

You wrote that in day 2 he created light, then claim in day 3 there is no light source.  
 

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: If you want to leave some of god's fuck ups please do this will be a educational thing for theists on the website.

Honestly, I can understand your disdain for God, the Bible, and Christians, but if your going to criticize these things, at least due so accurately.

You did get it right that God created the moon in day 4.

(August 7, 2015 at 10:53 am)orangebox21 Wrote:

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 1 - Creates the heavens and the earth.

The heavens were created in day 2 and the earth in day 3.

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 2 -  he couldn't see a god damned thing creates light and dark also created the moon. (didn't create a source of light till day 4, if god was so smart he would have created the sun)

The moon was created in day 4 not day 2.  He created light in day 1.

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 3 - creates vegetation (again no light source and no insects and bees to pollinate said vegetation)

You wrote that in day 2 he created light, then claim in day 3 there is no light source.  
 

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: If you want to leave some of god's fuck ups please do this will be a educational thing for theists on the website.

Honestly, I can understand your disdain for God, the Bible, and Christians, but if your going to criticize these things, at least due so accurately.

You did get it right that God created the moon in day 4.

So you actually believe that the Earth, the planet that we are on right now, is the oldest celestial object in the entire universe.  You believe that it is older than all of the stars and galaxies in the universe.  Do you also believe that it is only 6,000 years old?

(August 7, 2015 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: This sounds like a educated guess from someone not familiar with how OT Jew told or relayed their stories. Genesis one and two follows their oral tradition in story lay out. The frame work of genesis 1 and 2 if one considers the source and traditions of the people it came from does not support the 'guess' of whatever book you read.

Huh? It's like you took fifty words to say nothing more than "No!" But as you should know by now, that doesn't really cut it.

(August 7, 2015 at 4:07 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The problem with your BS translation is that the writer is using a word and concept that wasn't in existence to sell his fairy tale to stupid people, such as you.  So when are you going to produce original documents instead of BS some con man fabricated in the 1940s?  The answer is never because those documents simply don't exist.  Now get busy and produce them for our review and analysis.  The con man had to use the word "judgment" in his fairy tale so that he could use the "J" for Jesus.

I'm sorry the education system in your country failed you. Do you not have libraries where you live? I know the internet is a big place and you're already deeply confused, but there are people that can help you. Google is a good place to start. Hope is not completely lost if you just try to help yourself.

(August 7, 2015 at 11:23 am)Nestor Wrote:

(August 7, 2015 at 4:07 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The problem with your BS translation is that the writer is using a word and concept that wasn't in existence to sell his fairy tale to stupid people, such as you.  So when are you going to produce original documents instead of BS some con man fabricated in the 1940s?  The answer is never because those documents simply don't exist.  Now get busy and produce them for our review and analysis.  The con man had to use the word "judgment" in his fairy tale so that he could use the "J" for Jesus.

I'm sorry the education system in your country failed you. Do you not have libraries where you live? I know the internet is a big place and you're already deeply confused, but there are people that can help you. Google is a good place to start. Hope is not completely lost if you just try to help yourself.

You've just admitted that no handwritten manuscripts from ancient times exist now you're saying that I can find them in the local library.  You must be a Catholic priest.

(August 7, 2015 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 6, 2015 at 5:18 pm)dyresand Wrote: Yes light exist without the sun only because there is other others but problem comes down to physics. Given god is working in a specific region of space the light from distant stars 
isn't that great. The speed of darkness and the speed of light is constant. So god for shits and giggles created light he would still be in the dark making shit.

You missed the point again sport. Light is possible, with out a start to produce it. If you are not out side look up right now, and find the light source for the room your in. Is it a star? So again it is possible for man to create visible light with out the use of a star. then what in your close mind makes you think the one who just created the entire light spectrum by simply calling it into existence, is some how lost when it comes to producing visible light with out the use of a star when we can do so by turning on a simple light switch?

Light does not exist without the sun or stars the end.

(August 7, 2015 at 10:07 am)alpha male Wrote: Rev 21
23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.

That's pretty cool - in the first chapter of the Bible there's light without sun, and in the second to last chapter it comes back to that.

Why would anyone think that an omnipotent creator would need a sun in order to have light?

You do need light because you know vitamin D deficiency either or the biblical writers in this day and age would be considered morons.

(August 7, 2015 at 10:53 am)orangebox21 Wrote:

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 1 - Creates the heavens and the earth.

The heavens were created in day 2 and the earth in day 3.

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 2 -  he couldn't see a god damned thing creates light and dark also created the moon. (didn't create a source of light till day 4, if god was so smart he would have created the sun)

The moon was created in day 4 not day 2.  He created light in day 1.

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: day 3 - creates vegetation (again no light source and no insects and bees to pollinate said vegetation)

You wrote that in day 2 he created light, then claim in day 3 there is no light source.  
 

(August 2, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: If you want to leave some of god's fuck ups please do this will be a educational thing for theists on the website.

Honestly, I can understand your disdain for God, the Bible, and Christians, but if your going to criticize these things, at least due so accurately.

You did get it right that God created the moon in day 4.

Fine fine but the world isn't six thousand years old the sun is older than the earth.

The real order of things 

1. Big Bang I.E. expansion of space time

2. hydrogen and helium fill space time and it's super hot gass

3. Hydrogen helium cools down when it cools down and start to form the early stars

4. given billions of years planets starts to form. 

This all takes place in the span of billions of years rather than thousands.

(August 7, 2015 at 11:13 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(August 7, 2015 at 10:53 am)orangebox21 Wrote: The heavens were created in day 2 and the earth in day 3.
The moon was created in day 4 not day 2.  He created light in day 1.
You wrote that in day 2 he created light, then claim in day 3 there is no light source.  
 
Honestly, I can understand your disdain for God, the Bible, and Christians, but if your going to criticize these things, at least due so accurately.

You did get it right that God created the moon in day 4.

So you actually believe that the Earth, the planet that we are on right now, is the oldest celestial object in the entire universe.  You believe that it is older than all of the stars and galaxies in the universe.  Do you also believe that it is only 6,000 years old?

What does my belief have to do with the fact that the original post is factually inaccurate?

(August 7, 2015 at 11:49 am)dyresand Wrote:

(August 7, 2015 at 10:53 am)orangebox21 Wrote: The heavens were created in day 2 and the earth in day 3.
The moon was created in day 4 not day 2.  He created light in day 1.
You wrote that in day 2 he created light, then claim in day 3 there is no light source.  

Honestly, I can understand your disdain for God, the Bible, and Christians, but if your going to criticize these things, at least due so accurately.

You did get it right that God created the moon in day 4.

Fine fine but the world isn't six thousand years old the sun is older than the earth.

The real order of things

1. Big Bang I.E. expansion of space time

2. hydrogen and helium fill space time and it's super hot gass

3. Hydrogen helium cools down when it cools down and start to form the early stars

4. given billions of years planets starts to form.

This all takes place in the span of billions of years rather than thousands.

How can you trust your intellect to properly understand how the universe came into being when you couldn't read a short text and accurately reiterate it?

(August 7, 2015 at 10:02 am)Drich Wrote: Did I say gamma or x rays? I said light spectrum, and visiable light. which means their is light detectable by the eye and light that is not. ..

Now to you foolish assumption of 'unsourced light.'
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Sorry for the presumption, it's kind of hard to follow your "far out" theory.
So let me get this straight.. You say that when god created light he created nubulas and other stars as the sources for that light and he created the light already in transit from those sources. Kind of like creating a bullet flying through the air at the same time you create a smoking rifle. Later god added the sun to the mix and added it's light to the others.
Is that close?

At the time god made those stars, did he use cheap glue when he attached them to the firmament? I always wondered how they would get shaken loose from their orbit to fall to earth. I hope somebody is working on those super caves that we're going to hide in to protect us from that. If I had this star Antares coming right at me, I'd definitely be looking for a cave, wouldn't you?